The Knicks Fix

F Sarge Houston was an excellent player for us until his knees went. He is not to blame for Knicks problems other then him not being there for us past 3 years.

Hello to Sarge!!!!!!

B Ball is not like football. It is my understanding that you can't defer money in B Ball to adjust the cap.

I love Allan Hoston and I love how Sarge gave it to him. Its a totally fair statement, though Allan, despite his contract, gave us everything he had when he was here. I miss his sweet, smooth as silk jumpers

UPDATES GALORE. Thanks Alan.

Jacks on his way out?

"This could well be my last year of coaching," Phil Jackson said before flying to Springfield, Mass., for tonight's induction. "I'm not saying it is but it could be.

Further into the article, Jacks sounds like he gives his own ultimatum when he says his decision also depends on whether the Lakers get passed the second round of the playoffs.

This can't sit well with Buss and Co. The more Jacks and Kobe make ultimatums, the less leverage the Lakers have in rebuilding the team. Good Luck L.A. HA!

Here's another Laker story where Phil gets painted as Kobe's "Bash Brother".

1. Its not Houston's fault the Knicks gave him $100 million.

2. Patrick Ewing ran himself out of town.

3. Allan Houston gave the Knicks his all. He took us on a finals run. He had one of the best jumpers I've ever seen (or will see).

4. Kevin is right, you can't defer you're salary in basketball.

5. If we had Allan Houston last year we would have enough at least 5 more games. I'd rather have it in Allan's hand than Jamal's any day (although I do admire Jamal for wanting the ball). Allan hit so many clutch shots, and could get his shot off with just a jab fake. He was that deadly. Plus, half the time people were so scared of his shot, that he'd fake, get them up into the air, draw a foul, and still somehow hit the shot.

6. Allan Houston is a true Knick and Sarge is just bitter. I'd say the Knicks downfall came from surrounding the guy with the likes of Keith Van Horn, Old Deke, Othella Harrington, and the like.

Good try Sarge; Man it was a shame Sarge didn't collect his thoughts or have someone to help him with that interview.

Alan didn't have anything to do with Pat leaving but I do agree with him that he did rob the Knicks for years and kept our hands cuff. Scott Layden competed with nobody to give him that $100M contract, off of one lucky bounce. And every time I see that idiot on the Utah bench it pisses me off. Scott’s father must have some dirt on somebody because there is no way Scott should have a job in the NBA.

If anything Alan should play for the Knicks for free or one dollar like Bloomberg. He owes us big; they got rid of Spree and Campy because of Houston and Charlie Ward with all that preaching good character stuff.

And after hearing that interview with all that at the end of the day he's not going to be judge on basketball crap, I don't want to hear that. Mind you Marbarry is starting to sound the same way.

Maybe Sarge and I are having trouble expressing our selves, but I'm mad at Alan also and he owes us big.

I don't see how Allan Houston owes the Knicks anything. It's not his fault the Knicks decided to give him $100 million. Any sane person would agree to that contract. If anything, blame James Dolan. Things went downhill when he took over. By that time, we already had Allan Houston. The downfall started when Dolan took over and fired Grunfeld. Then Layden traded Camby and the 7th pick for McDyess. I don't see what that trade had to do with Allan Houston. People act like Allan Houston was acting like some puppet master behind the scenes, forcing people out of town and demanding that other players get traded. I think people just are upset that he didn't deserve his contract, which he didn't, but its not his fault that the Knicks overpaid him.

Maybe eveyone should reserve judgment on Houston until we find the real deal about his Medical condition! Consisder these points! Houston had IDENTICAL surgery that Jason KIDD had! Kidd is back to Allstar form! Considering the incompetent job done on Crawford and Lee, Maybe Houston used Kidd's Doctor to recover after the Knicks Med staff failed! If that's the case, I don't blame Houston! Blame the Medical staff!

All things aside, I would hate to see Houston go to any rival in our division and play well. I wish him well...but just not with anyone else haha.

Ewing was chased out of NYC by the New York Media. I know that much.

They're trying to do the exact same thing right now with Isiah and Marbury. They feel they own the Knicks and can control their destiny.

Between Alan Houston and Patrick Ewing, I'd have to give it to Patrick in terms of "giving it his all."

In 99 Ewing didn't realize that it would be his last shot at the title. He was quoted as saying he has to think about the rest of his career as opposed to playing hurt like Grant Hill did with the pistons. Someone close to Ewing should have told him that it could very well have been his last shot at glory. Camby and a damaged Ewing might have faired better against Duncan and D Robinson. But that's all in the past now.

Ewing ran himself out of town?

Patrick Ewing has more honor and deserves more glory for being a Knick than Allan Houston any day of the week. Nobody paid Willis Reed to tell Ewing he was the greatest knick ever, Reed did that own his own volition.

Maybe I was harsh saying that "Ewing ran himself out of town", but the fact remains, he didn't like it here anymore. He grew tired of the fans booing him, the fans grew tired of him. He definitely wanted to move on. It wasn't forced on him. At some point, everyone realized that he didn't have it in him to be the focal point anymore. Everyone but him. He didn't like that, so he wanted out.

Believe me, I grew up on Ewing, and he is my favorite Knick ever. But I think Houston gets a raw deal merely because he was overpaid, and I think that's bogus.

Houston getting a raw deal? He barely played in his last few seasons and was making Starbury money. Beside that lucky bounce in Miami, he did squat. And last I checked, they lost that Finals series, so he accomplished squat. Ewing put in work, year after year. Came up short, year after year. Towards the end of his time in NY he spoke the truth. NY was always too hard on Pat. He excelled and they demanded more. He played alone on those teams and had minimal help on offense. Yet, NY demanded more. He and the 90's Knicks overachieved in NY. Still, NYC expected more.

I say NY is full of ungrateful fair weather fans. Pat said it too. How could you disagree?

If you were offended by his comments...he was talking to you and people like you.

I didn't feel offended. I knew he was an over achiever. Did you see him play? He was a stiff. He moved like a robot on offense. He habitually fouled people on defense to get blocks. Still, the dude maximized his potential and people like you crap on him to defend Alan Houston.

Screw Alan Houston. He blew. His injury just validated the fact that $100 million contracts should be reserved for tried and tested athletes. He was a shooter. A specialist. He did one thing well.

Rashard Lewis' idol.

Anyway,

Memphis officials called Darko "Da Thug" Milicic and reprimanded him. They blamed the violence in American gangster movies, rap music and video games for his "profanity laced tirade" (just kidding).

Philly's Center, Dalembert, was diagnosed with a stress fracture but is expected to be ready for start of training camp.

BARF-

Chill. Did you read where I said Ewing was my favorite Knick ever? I agree, his work ethic is unparalleled. I also never said that I hated Ewing. I said that the fans did. I loved him and I never understood why people said he wasn't clutch when he was the one who always put us in a position to win in the first place. I think its a travesty that he didn't retire a Knick, but I was just trying to explain the situation objectively.

He left because he didn't like it here anymore, and people here didn't like him anymore, for better or worse. He wanted to keep being the man but he didn't have it in him anymore. Its the pride of a warrior.

And lets put things in perspective ok? Ewing LED the Knicks to one finals appearance, and we lost. Houston also led the Knicks to one finals appearance and we lost.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but towards the end of Ewing's career he was raking in the monster dough, but he also could barely move.

One of the reasons that it took AH20 so long to come back is because he rushed back to help the team before his body was ready and then early in the season played heavy minutes. he had one the sweetest jimmys in the league. he also destroyed reggie in the conference semis vs Indy I am often amazed at how so many fans rant, huff and puff about an athlete's salary. Quite simply if the owners hit them(the players) off with such heavy cheddar imagine how much the owners are bringing in to be able to through that kind of cheese around...If an owner offers to overpay an athlete he/she should take it. The NBA (i believe no longer allows a player to take a cut to bring in a free agent.

I think Spree(" we've been playing better with the smaller team that's what we should go with helped to run Patrick out of town(yes he made the choice himself, but the environment when he left was not all that great

Exactly. How could it be Allan Houston's fault that James Dolan chose to give him $100 million? Get over it. Would you turn down a monster salary if your boss offered it? Please.

Houston may not have been a Dolan's puppet master but he was playing golf and kissing his ass so hard after he rip the Knicks off he was allowed to train at the Knicks facilities.

Dolan got that good character guys from Houston, which cost us Spree and Camby which had just as much input if not more in getting us to that final.

Anyway he's not going to last the season. He'll rip off another team now. He's going to have a nice work out, play a couple of good games then re-injure himself and that team will have the privilege of watching him be the first guy off the bench high fiveing the guys that are earning their money.

sorry folks for the typos of my above post but I was distracted but goings on at the office
peace

I'm chilling. Always. But Ewing's career here (specifically how it ended in NY) is definitely an example of how much influence the media has. They sh!tted on him and so the fair-weather, band wagon jumping fans did too.

Oh, we won't start comparing Alan Houston to Ewing. Let's not do that.

Because for starters, the Knicks were built from the ground up around Ewing. Houston came to an already established system and a spoiled fanbase. There's no comparison to their situations from the get go.

In 99, Alan Houston gave you fans a glimmer of hope(I had to get off that bandwagon) but it was fool's gold. It was exactly what Layden and Co. were trying to sell. The biggest slap in the face was trading Latrell after selling him to the fans and the fans falling in love with him.

Latrell and Camby alone were better role players with more upside then John Starks and Oakley. Not to mention, Alan still had a bench filled with Ewing's henchman.

It's like comparing a father and a son.

The son comes and builds on what the father built but you want to devalue the father's efforts?

You may be a fan of Ewing...cool. But why the need to pull him down in order to give Houston more shine?

It may not be Houston's fault for signing the contract. But he came to represent everything that was wrong with Grunfeld, Layden and Co.

I wish him well in his comeback but it'd better not be for the Knicks. And if he had any respect, he wouldn't play for a rival of ours. Although, it would make for drama and drama sells...so...

I don't know how you can keep saying I'm trying to devalue Ewing. I've said more than once now that he was my favorite Knick ever. I'm not pulling him down in order to bring Houston up. Ewing has no comparison in Knicks history except Walt Frazier, and Willis Reed, DeBusschere, Bradley, Monroe and Barnett. But after that you have another tier of guys who are among the best Knicks ever, and I'd put Allan Houston up there with (and above, in fact)Bernard King, Oakley, Starks, and LJ. Its clear to me that while you can't compare Houston and Ewing, Houston was a top 10 all-time Knick.

Fixers (new and old),
Let me share a couple of thoughts. They came to mind as a reaction to this "veiled" caller named "Sarge" AH referenced in his post on AH20 and some comments that I often read here about the JJs. I'm not saying that noone on the NYK is above reproach or criticism. We're just bloggin'. But come on folks. Besides the former HOF coach, who here is for this build up by tearing down SHAME GAME?

I offer the following:

The only justification for looking down at somebody is to pick them up.--(JJ as in Jesse Jackson)

Love thy neighbor, even if he plays the trombone.-- (Jewish Proverb)

Mental goodwill is reciprocal. The good thoughts you send out to others will return back to you multiplied.--
Grenville Kleiser

Cooleyhigh knew what's good.

KFL

Houston was ass.

How's that for an argument?

I must apologize. I'm venting my post-90's Knicks rage on you when I'm really just jealous that Sarge got to rip him up and I didn't.

Much love to Sarge. I wish he were part of our Fixer nation cuz he sounds like a stand up guy. HAHAHA

I wouldn't put Houston over Starks or Oakley. It was Houston's contract that knocked me off the Knick bandwagon. For as sweet as his jumpshot was, he was a one dimensional $100 million player. And I'm not delusional. Even without his contract, the Knicks were over the limit so his contract wasn't the last straw. It was management unwillingness to cut the cord.

I saw Houston in Detroit too. I thought he was good but not as good as Grant Hill. Then management wants to build a team around him? AND overpays him?

Dang man. Hell no.

How you didn't see it that way is what eats me up. I already forgot about Houston. Isiah brought the Orange & Blue back for me.

And another thing...Alan Houston...AH...Alan Hahn... AH.

Coincidence?

I think not.

Yo, African,
Nice to see you around. Hope you'll see a reason to post more often.

SaipanKnickster: "How could it be Allan Houston's fault that James Dolan chose to give him $100 million? ... Would you turn down a monster salary if your boss offered it?"

Well, if my job were in the NBA and I wanted to win a title, then YES! I *WOULD* turn down the monster salary!! Houston's greed - and yes, Layton's stupidity - HAMSTRUNG the Knicks! But one is not worse than the other IMHO.

Despite his good intentions, dragging his religeon into the locker room didn't do a lot for team chemistry either. At the very least, AH should have been smart enough to shut his trap after it was clear that his Bible thumping was becoming a distraction. After all, he's being paid $100k to PLAY BALL - not convert the great unwashed.

Houston is the biggest bum in sports history with a $100 Million contract. I'm not going to lie, I loved the run that Houston and Spree were a part of. But seriously, I believe the guy JUST got of the payroll and he is miraculously healed and wants to play for a rival? Talk about loyalty. The guy needs to have some respect and just go play for a Western team or just sit at home and enjoy his millions.

Not Allan Houston's fault the Knicks gave him $100 million. Not a reason to hate him. They would've been over the cap anyway. He did the same thing any of you would've done. It doesn't change the fact that he carried the Knicks on his back after Ewing retired.

One point I'd like to address:

"I saw Houston in Detroit too. I thought he was good but not as good as Grant Hill. Then management wants to build a team around him? AND overpays him?"

Management actually brought in Allan Houston, not to build a team around him, but to use him as a role player for Patrick. They brought in LJ and Chris Childs that same summer, and traded for Camby and Spree shortly thereafter. All these guys were role players for Ewing. Nobody started out intending to build a team around Houston.

Houston never made an issue of his faith. The media did. And as far as him being "miraculously healed" after his contract expired, its because Isiah wanted him off the team, not because he wanted to quit.

A short tidbit on AH20's comeback.

http://myespn.go.com/nba/truehoop

I tend to think when reactionaries run the show in politics you get facism when it happens in basketball we get the people who are trying to run IT out of town.

The back and forth here regarding AH20 obviously points out to me the sour taste in many a Knick Fans mouth over unsound business practices, and what those practices brought to the our beloved Orange and Blue. Hence the venom at AH20 and the regime that attempted to showcase him at the expense of players with more of the intangible items Knick fans came to love-- as represented in Sprewell and Camby at that time.

To that effect I liked what starburyfan had to say about JJeff's commitment to the NYK when he went after whom we all should call "Yellow Mellow." Heck I loved it when 5 foot 8 Nate took down a player bigger than him in that mele. I prefer that over the picture of JKidd and the Nets stepping over the Knicks knocking out our players and no one getting back at them.

Who's PG Jared Jordan? I don't know but here's an article that says Thomas has an interest in him...and other stuff too.

How old was Ewing when they brought Houston in? And since when were role players paid $120 million?

BARF: "...and I'd put Allan Houston up there with (and above, in fact)Bernard King, Oakley, Starks, and LJ. Its clear to me that while you can't compare Houston and Ewing, Houston was a top 10 all-time Knick."

*** Baaahhh!!! ***

Difference is that AH came into a team that was already STACKED. How are you gonna compare him to Bernard King like that?

I'm not trying to take it to a streetball level, but one on one? No comparison. In the end, NEITHER of them won a title so call that one a draw.

Starks had like 8-9 seasons in the playoffs to Houston's 6 and he was doing more of the "heavy lifting" that built the foundation for AH.

Comparing him to Oakley is apples to oranges, but you put their HEARTS on the scale and no way. Oak held it DOWN in the locker room - Houston's "character" was a distraction at the end of the day.

I am NOT hating on the NYK when I say this - I love them worts and all - but I remember AH for his silky jumper, his creaky knees, his goofy rants about "the Lawd" ...and the fact that his last few years in the League, he led the league in steals. Right from the Knicks payroll.

As a Knicks fan, he's a straight-up BUM. It's a JOKE that dude made more than the ENTIRE KNICKS TEAM that last won a championship and a JOKE to consider him for any "Top 10" list -- numbers or not.

DBone
Firstly
Much respect, however I agree to disagree

We were over the cap prior Houston' megadeal and besides there is lot's of blame to go around for the failures of that period

Example Van Gundy's unwillingness to give Camby PT alongside EW intially and his power struggle with Grunfeld
that also hurt the team and lead to a breakup of sorts

BARF:

You hate Houston so much you are blind to the truth. Houston's first Knicks contract was NOT for $100 million. It was for a reasonable amount in 1996.

I’m not hating on Houston for taking the money. I would do the same thing, heck, I might even ask for more, but the fact remains that he was never worth that much. Of course it’s Layden’s fault, there is no denying it. But all I’m trying to say is that Houston, despite whether he was making $100 Million or not, should not be considered as one of the best Knicks ever. That title should only be applied to the likes of Ewing, King, Frazier, Reed. Even Starks and Oakley. But Houston? No way. That’s downright insulting.

I’m sure if Houston could play, Isiah would’ve wanted him on the team last season. But Houston was getting his shot blocked, and it was outright horrible to watch him labor through that.

Wasn't Jared Jordan the PG out of Marist? I thought the Clippers drafted him. Don't we have enough personnel issues that IT is thinking about another PG?

BARF:

Houston was also brought in, not when Ewing was so old as you suggest, but in 1996, within two years of the finals run. Ewing was having a monster year during Houston's first season (when he wasn't on his monster contract), before he got taken down by Andrew Lang and shattered his wrist, and the Knicks were blowing teams out by 20 regularly that year. If Ewing didn't break his wrist that year I think they would've had a serious run in them, with Houston as a role player.

Great.

How old was Ewing at that point?

When they brought in Houston in 96 he was 34, but still putting up numbers. 22 ppg, 10 boards, 2.5 blocks.

SaipanKnickster.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not laying all the blame for the lack of success on Houston's doorstep.. You've got a good point about the other factors, no doubt about it.

It's just my opinion that when a guy takes THAT much from an organization, he cripples his own chances for putting a TEAM together around him. KG did the same thing and I LOVE the guy. Guess that makes me a a bit of a hypocrite, but then again, put KG's heart and his skills on the scale next to Houston's and that's where I see a difference.

But I *STRONGLY* disagree with the notion that when a player and his agent come thru and bargain for a salary that cripples the team is an acceptable thing to do. It's a bad business decision by BOTH PARTIES and the FANS continue to pay the price for it long after clowns like Houston ride outta town.

I don't HATE a guy like AH, I just think it's a joke to put him in the same company as Willis and Ewing.

Not saying my way is the right way - this is just how I see it.

Where is all this about Houston's heart and work ethic coming from? He carried the team for a few years after Ewing went down, played through injury, was responsible for ALL of the scoring his last 2 healthy years. People are making him sound like he has no heart, like Tim Thomas or Michael Olowakandi or something, and I don't see where that is coming from.

I also never put him in the same company as Ewing and Willis. I put him below those guys, but a notch above Starks and Oakley.

Db one
but either way it's not your dough and as you well know they will not consult us anyway re business decisions Houston was definitely more limited as a player than Ewing...but in his own way I think he gave his all also. I do not begrudge him the money

BARF,

Jared Jordan is a smallish PG out of Marist who by all accounts out of the Orlando camp(see old DraftExpress) can flat out play. Not the combine specimen that makes for the saafe draft pick, but apparently has the genius in his bones. His teams always won, guys raved about him, and was rated by the draftexpress guys as the best at running the squad, creating angles, court vision, etc... Sounded like the second coming of Steve Nash, and next to Nichols, was one of the guys I was most intrigued by. That rumor sounds alot like there's going to be some serious movement (and might I add, Ruben Patterson is a favorite of mine, but he's not Elton Btrand), so the Clips could be looking for some more potatoes for the gravy and Zeke must be thinking he's going to have alot more roster space if he can contemplate another PG (buh bye Nate). Also, if Zeke thinks he's legit, he probably is.

So you are telling me that when they brought in Alan Houston alongside a 34 yr old Ewing...then gave him $120 million contract...they weren't building a team around him?

I mean, its a decade later right. Is it safe to speak in terms of hindsight now?

Whether they did it immediately or not, they did build around him and gave him a HUGE contract. Whether they intended to or not from the beginning, doesn't really matter. They did build the team around him.

Yes they traded for a crippled LJ and an over-rated Chris Childs (who I watched in NJ alongside Chris Morris correct? and thought nothing of him) and they traded Oakley for an unproven and often criticized young Camby...and of course the coach-choking Sprewell.

You really thought that at the age of 34...they were still "building around" Ewing? No.

He wasn't the most spry of fellows when he was young.

They (management) were trying to give the old guy a final shot. They dismantled the team of warriors he had battled with and filled the team with a bunch of has been's, never-were's and will be someday's. Starks was in GS. Oak was in Toronto. Mason was in Charlotte. And Ewing was older than all of them.

And I'm supposed to be convinced that this was his team?

No. It was the writing on the wall. A sign of things to come. The doubt that prevented Ewing from getting a proven running mate had finally dismantled his team.

And when he got injured, they gave him to Seattle for Luc Longley (an ex Bull for Chrissake), Glen Rice and beans. Serious?

You'll never convince me that Pat was wrong for demanding more support, more respect and more appreciation.

You can paint it any which way you want but it's not reality. Alan Houston was not the truth. Had he remained healthy...well, that's a pointless road to travel cuz it was not to be. The story doesn't end with Ewing walking off into the sunset and Alan Houston capturing the glory with his silky smooth jumpshot. The story ends with Ewing as a creaky Center for the Orlando Magic and Alan Houston a staple on the injured-reserve still collecting $20 million checks.

In conclusion, Alan was ass. He can blame Dolan and Layden for making him ass. Ass and rich. But still ass.

Like I already said, sorry for venting on you. I don't really care about Houston. I stopped watching the Knicks when he was here and got back to watching when he was out. Maybe I'm biased. Maybe I'm not though cuz I didn't miss much.

BARF:

I'd like to point out that keep calling everyone fair weather fans, but you just admitted that you stopped watching the Knicks because you didn't like Houston.

A true fan will never abandon the team.

I'd so much rather have Allan Houston on this squad as the two than Jamal.

Allan would really make teams pay for doubling Eddy and Zach. We have nobody capable of doing that now, except maybe Nichols (we'll see).

To clarify: A healthy Allan Houston over Jamal.

I've been playing spectator sport on this site the past several weeks. Lots of good postings and some fellow bloggers are here.

I came back from vacation and Isola's blog was deserted. Further, it became Dear Abby.... Dang!!
On SI, some nice discussion about 92 Dream Team vs. today's DT. Fun stuff.

I see BARF is in form with his obnoxious keyboard personality. Nah, he's a good guy.

Be good y'all.

If i'm correct,although Scott Layden was a terrible gm with the personality of a dialtone.....
I believe that Alan's big contract was one of Dave Checketts last acts before fleeing NY.
Somebody,please correct me if i'm wrong!
The Knicks have been rotting from the inside out ever since Jim Dolan took over.
I am still a tremendously dedicated fan,and also a sucker,I suppose(I still watch every game, and i'm here aren't I) but I don't believe this team will ever truly win till Dolan is gone.
It rips me apart that this piece of ****
runs what I perceive as a public trust which is much older and larger than him.
Does anyone care to comment?

Scott D-

I think you are right about Checketts. I think Dolan made him do it in fact.

And yes, Dolan sucks. Only when he steps back will we have a chance.

PS.

The Knicks were already buried in the cap before Houstons' big contract,and in fear of losing him for nothing,I suppose that they made the mistake of ponying up 9 figures for a guy with a silky J,but one who didn't consistantly drive to the basket or play D like he did in the 1999 Indiana series against Reggie Miller.
As a matter of fact there were one or two games where he kept taking Miller to the hole and he looked Jordonesque.
I never saw Alan dominate again in such a multifaceted way.
He did a nice job here,
but I think we overpaid.
If my boss overpaid me, I wouldn't complain!!!

hey dan

tell the cab drivers they are not real new yorkers because they refuse to buy into the idea of riding around with gps in their vehicles.

it was merely a strike my friend. i'm back and better than ever.

Be A Real Fan (BARF),
How do you respond to the Dan 9/7/07 5:07 pm post? Say it ain't so or are we just bloggin'?

Quite a bit of venemous hyperboles being thrown out here as the season approaches. For what good is this? As a fan of a team with an owner that says cost be damned and continues to put out the coins to get players, I say YES.

I suggest folks scroll back to read Tman and Willis on this money and overpaid issue. Dolan could care less what we fans think of him as an owner because we're not his friends nor are we his enemies. We don't count unless/until we pay at the gate or in the mail for the monthly cable bill. Then again, we're just bloggin'. Consider Peaceman's SOFA KING WE TODDED comment as fingers curl up to type some of these veiled venemous hyperboles. Many of us could do no better if handed the rock or accept no less if seated at the negotiation table.

In a case of the chickens coming home to roost, did any of you catch Dan Lebatard on PTI today? He started to spin the Rick Ankiel story that broke out from the tabloid-inspired DN today. According to Dan the pundit, America is supposed to give Ankiel a pass because he sank to the doldrums and made it out of AAA purgatory with the help of the juice. Puh-Leeeze! While they're at it, I say they check DT's Kenny Rogers too. Those games he pitched against the Yankees last year were "watered" down.

Watch the veil of hypocrates unfurl Fixers.

KFL

BARF,
So I guess you responded while I was previewing my post.

Fixers,
Do you speculate on any NBA types using "water"? Wouldn't a guy like K-Mart, McD, AH, DWade, or Shaq, heal more quickly if they used the "cream" or "clear"? SAY NO TO DRUGS!

KFL

Does anyone realize how close the Knicks were to signing Reggie Miller instead of Houston the summer of 96'?

Because of events at the time (he was a one-man demolition squad against us in the playoffs)I don't think there was anything I wanted less than Miller on our squad, but he proved more durable with a much bigger heart.

That said, I loved AH20's silky jumper. Before the injuries,it was a thing of beauty.

Does anyone remember how he originally got hurt? I'll give yall a hint: the dude he bumped knees with is currently a Knick, and I believe it's either BARF or Rush who totally has no use for him.

Any takers?

i've been known to defend jeffries. he's got talent. it must be rush who despises osama bin jeffries.

BXNMD,
I do recall how AH20 was stealth coming out of Detroit to NY. Everyone knew NYK needed a shooter and Reggie was flossin' thinking he was the only one who could be had. In his words, the whole NBA that was his contract. Then the obvious was no longer obvious. It was what is wasn't (a la SM).

I also believe that it was a freakish collision with James that caused the injury (subject to verification by Kevin H or Willis, or Tman--historians of the Knicks). I can recall vividly how Toby Knight was to restore hope to NYK. AH and Antonio McD became the modern day Toby Knight. The league let JimD and NYK off easy re: AH20's contract. In the past, NYK would have to carry him for the LOC.

From your clue, it's one of the JJs. BARF would cut James and Rush spews venom at Jeffries.

KFL

bronxboy, is it Malik Rose ?

oh i didnt read the clue........JJeffries

According to the NYT the Marbury miked up video has been viewed 281,842 times on YouTube. i wonder what the most hits ever is ?

Dan,

" I'd put Allan Houston up there with (and above, in fact)Bernard King, Oakley, Starks, and LJ."

AH better than Bernard? Are you serious? Are you f8cking kidding me?

No hater of AH, but did Alan ever beat the Celtics by himself like Bernard did? Any back-to-back 60 pointers from Alan?

Come on. We're starting to sound like the 4-letter network.

yo alan, my post was censored automatically, but I don't think I used any curse words...

I did call dolan an idiot. is it the blog setup to block that?

BX Boy in MD

nice question by my count that is the second time the NYK have signed a player after that player had a direct role in a(NYK) mainstay player suffering a serious injury
any guesses?

correction: back to back 50 point games (not 60).

Saipan,
Wasn't it JJ who jacked The Big Fella causing him top hurt his wrist? It was incidental contact but we know him to be a hack before he suited up in Orange and Blue.
Folks, believe Shaq when he says that the NBA stands for Nothing But Actors. The referee thing this summer was a case of the chickens coming home to roost.

BTW, All love for AH20 but THERE IS NO WAY that he weighs over BK. BK was on a whole 'nother level compared to any of the cats we're seeing today.

Bests fo BK:
Baseline jumper
Open court finisher (Spree was close as a finisher)
Handles (began the anklebreaker club)
Defense (got his and gave none)
Steals (watch the tapes)
Assists (made his teammates better)
I can go on and on. Don't slouch on the departeds.

KFL

Meant Jerome James fouling Ewing and causing him to fall and hurt his wrist.

KFL

One more correction: beat Pistons by himself.

You get the point. Bernard's 3 complete years were better than AH20.

That has to be Malik. Who else would cause more injuries than him?

Man, I remember BK running to the post, clearing everyone out and, with the entire arena knowing what's coming, turning baseline and shooting the fall away over ANYBODY.

Are you kidding me? Are you f8cking kidding me? If he didn't get hurt,

Damn. That was 20 years ago and I still get mad at seeing him on the floor.

DAMN!

Alan better BK?

Dan, you got me riled up man.

Top 10 Knick of all time? You insulted our championship team with that statement.

COMEON!

some draft day Knick haterade for those of you that care to read it:

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2154

knicks draft grade (according to them)? F

The Isola force is strong in that one. Hey--shouldn't he adjust New York's "F" to reflect some of the "B-" he gave portland since we later received the rights to Demetris Nichols? he didn't even mention Demetris Nichols, he probably was unaware of the trade. come to think of it, he didn't mention 90% of the players that were drafted. Who is this guy? Answer: John Waters. That must get tiresome during introductions. perhaps he should direct movies instead of writing lackluster draft day trade reviews.

forgot to post his email address:

jonathan.watters@draftexpress.com

Starbury,

Thanks for link. Now I have toilet paper.

Steady it was Andrew Lang who baged into EW and cuased the wrist injury which I fell speed up his decline(offensively) Like your thinking another big stiff

Fixers

You guys are really PUMPED UP tonite.....I think I will stay in the background.

@Steady.....don't kill me,but if Zeke were smart he would make that trade this week.....to swing the media away from him and the courts.

I wish Houston good luck. He played well for the Knicks and his Jay was pure! The man was hurt period! I'm not gonna trash him because he was hurt! He wasn't close to the talent Bernard King was, and I have no fear that he will ever come back to hurt our current club, so who really cares?
When you have someone like Nichols as an "if" makeing this club...we have nothing but good problems!

Artest 2007-2008 or bust!

uh oh....drama in Laker Land...

Alan...talk to us and tell us what this means...

Phil's Finally In Kobe's Corner -- A