On the Yankees beat

Does anyone even think the Twins were ever, ever serious about trading Santana to the Yankees unless they could completely rob them blind?

No need to wait for EJ, the guys over at RiverAveBlues.com have done a great job writing this one up already:

http://riveraveblues.com/2007/12/04/prospect-profile-jon-albaladejo/#more-1762

It's a pretty long write-up, else I'd have posted the entire thing.

Albaledejo seems like a good pick-up to me.

Ed, I don't see why the Twins would want to trade Santana to the Sox either. Why wouldn't they try to ship him off to the Mets in the NL?

I'm really pissed about the possibility of the Red Sox getting Santana. This could be a complete disaster for the Yanks.

Current hot rumor has Miggy Cabrera and Dontrelle to Detroit for Andrew Miller, Cameron Maybin and Jordan Tata

Red Sox rumor is disconcerting but there is something that doesn't make sense. According to the Bergen Record, the offer now includes Lester, Crisp, Ellsbery,and Lowrie. Who would play centerfield for the Red Sox? Something smells big time here.

If I were the Sox I would never trade Ellsbury. If they do, it could be another Bagwell situation.

I think the Twins and Red Sox are just leaking as many names as they can to get the Yankees to up their offer.

In about an hour, expect reports the Red Sox will throw in the Green Monster, the Cask 'n Flagon and Ted Williams' remains, as well.

Ellsbury just signed on with Scott Boras - wonder if that impacts a) whether the Twins want him or b) how willing the Sux are to part with him

In about an hour, expect reports the Red Sox will throw in the Green Monster, the Cask 'n Flagon and Ted Williams' remains, as well.

Not including Ted's head might be a deal breaker.

There are two packages the Twins can choose from...one includes Crisp, the other includes Ellsbury...both Crisp and Ellsbury would not be in the same package.

12:50 p.m., from Peter Gammons
• The Twins and Red Sox are supposed to meet this afternoon to continue discussions on the Johan Santana deal. Sources indicate the Twins are still trying to decide between a 3-for-1 for center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury, infielder Jed Lowrie, pitching prospect Justin Masterson and the 4-for-1 swap that substitutes lefty starter Jon Lester and center fielder Coco Crisp for Ellsbury.

Just keep Phil Hughes.

Among the eyes opened by Stick's willingness to put Hughes on the table were probably those of Philip himself.

When did this blog become a Redsux blog? Gammons needs to brush his teeth and, like I said, if Twinkies take the lesser package from the Redsux, so be it. It would have been nice to get Santana, but Boston has effectively blocked that from happening.
Either it appears they get him or nobody does.

We gotta have faith in our kids and don't go after Haren. Either Santana, or Bedard (which will not happen) or nothing. Don't see any other pitcher out there worth trading Hughes or Kennedy for. Heard in here that Yanks are talking to Seattle about King Felix. Sounds like propoganda to me. Joba is gonna be better than Verlander, Hughes and Kennedy will be winners. Gotta start with the kids sometime. Why not now!
You just might be surprised.

NSH:

It wasn't like Stick said that Hughes stinks. He said that Johan Santana was probably the only guy he would advocate trading Phil Hughes for.

Both those offers do not include a pitcher the magnitude of Hughes. This is why I would have submitted a 2nd "offensive" package which included Cano. The package would have been something like Cano\Tabata\Karstens. The Yanks have plenty of offense, 2nd basemen are not difficult to attain, and offense is easy to get if the Yanks felt they needed to replace some of Cano's. The Twins would have had their choice of Hughes\Melky\ Karstens or Cano\Tabata\Karstens. Both would have been culminating "final\last" offers.

I cant wait to see Hughes pitch regularly in the ML's....I've only seen him for a few innings. From all that I've read he is truly going to be special.

Just a quick question - when was the last time the Yankees had a five man rotation that was made up entirely of home grown players? Because if Kennedy beats out Mussina for a rotation spot that's exactly what the Yankees are looking at with a rotation of Andy, Wang, Hughes, Joba, Kennedy.

I'm not saying this to brag on the Yankee farm system or predicting them to be the best thing since sliced bread - I'm just curious as to when that phenomenon last occurred.

Which leads to the question

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THE YANKEES WON ANYTHING WITH A ROTATION OF HOMEBRED ??

Whoever gets the answer to Chip's question, also needs to find out where the Yanks finished.

Cas,

I don't know if you saw, but on the last thread I asked who you would put in the Santana package if you did trade Lowrie for Fuentes? And with Okajima and Papsmear do you really even need/want him?

Roy,

There's no chance the Yankees would include Cano, nor should they. Yes you can go out and find a warm body to play 2nd base, but he will be a huge drop off from Cano. Plus when you consider the Yankees' organizational strength, right now it is pitching, not position players.

LOL..."Hankenstein"

I were the Sox I would never trade Ellsbury. If they do, it could be another Bagwell situation.

He genius.. Do you know whop they traded Bagwell for? I didnt think so.. Larry Anderson..

This is Johan santana we are talking about.. Bagwell?? I dont care if he becomes the next Barry Bonds.. If he pitches for the next 6 yrs, like he has the last 6.. The Red Sox could win the next 5 world series.. Then the crying from yankee fans will be better than ever..

Still think it's got to be different for PH going from untouchable to trade bait, even for Santana. While Joba, whom he once outranked, is still untouchable -- even for Santana.

I'm not saying this is harmful. Just another step on reality road for a young pitcher.

Chip,

I dont know who the Sox would substitute for Lowrie...but yes, I'd take Fuentes...he would make a nice addition. 7-8-9= Okie/Fuentes/Paps...not too shabby eh?

In my opinion - either the Twins have terrible talent evaluators or Theo Epstein is a hell of a used car salesman.

Consider that he has the Twins debating deals with either Jon Lester - a good pitcher who is made to look better thanks to tremendous players around him (in reality his upside is pretty low compared to someone like Hughes - essentially he is a left handed Ian Kennedy) or Jacoby Ellsbury - who is average or below average in every aspect of his game other than speed - as a centerpiece for a trade. Ellsbury's value is inflated thanks to a great October, but I see that being more like what happened with Shane Spencer back in the day. Guy comes up, makes a huge splash, then the next year suffers from scouting reports catching up to him.

Lester and Crisp plus 2 prospects is the deal on the table for the Twins from the Sox. Is the word from WFAN which they think that is a much lower offer than the Yankees. But the Twins are high on Jackson and they're saying he might have been the deal breaker with the Yankees but Mike thinks the Yankees are a little foolish for him to be the deal breaker. SIce he's only in A ball no matter what his ceiling is.

7-8-9= Okie/Fuentes/Paps...not too shabby eh?
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I seem to recall hearing the same thing with Eric Gagne's name in there for Fuentes'

Chip,

I disagree with your analysis of Ellsbury. I think he above average in all aspects of his game except his arm. Evidently, so do most others.

WFAN says Santana a Sox! Sweet!

OYF:

Mike knows NOTHING about Yankee prospects. Here's a guy who for 2/3 of last season thought the Yankees should have dealt Joba, Kennedy, and Melky for Tex.

The bottom line is that if the Yankees move both Jackson and Melky they are going to wind up with Damon long term in CF and he would be on the show every day complaining about how they need to get Damon out of there. Austin Jackson will likely be Curtis Granderson in a year. I'm not giving up him, a potential #1 starter, and my current CF.

According to Sweeny (at the winter meetings) on WFAN the Sox have taken a big lead in the Santana sweepstakes...

Hopefully the deal we didn't make is the one that makes a difference.

Tick-tock-tick-tock

Chip,

C'mon my man...did you really think that Gagne was going to sh$t the bed at the time that trade was done???.....You and I both would have jumped at that deal just as Theo did.

Sweeny Murti on M&MD says the Red Sox have framework in place for a deal ... it's Lester, Crisp, Lowrie + Masterson for Santana. Twins wanted Hughes, Melky, Kennedy AND Jackson from Yanks.

Someone help me out here ... how are those two deals REMOTELY comparable. That's a KING's RANSOM for the Yanks while the Sox get off light. Something definitely smells here. What are Twins trying to A$$ F$%& the Yanks while getting less than market value from Sox.

This is BS!!!!!!

oh by the way ... wait for the inevitable OVER REACTION by Hank. Say bye bye to Hughes, Jackson and Horne for Haren.

I agree Chip, just giving a play by play. The most interesting thing said in this report is that they thought the Twins were more interested in the package with the least value. So they think if that if the Sox makes this happen without giving up Ellisbury and/or Bucholtz that they robbed the Twins.

Cas,

He has zero power, even less than Melky. He's 24 years old and this year in the minors in 463 ABs he had only 2 HRs, 24 2Bs and 7 3Bs.

So just for S&G to compare Melky to Ellsbury

Melky is younger, has a better arm, and while neither of them are Miguel Cabrera - has more power.

Ellsbury is faster and strikes out less.

To me that's a wash.

I dont see it that way...and, evidently, neither does Minnesota. The Sox package has more value...pure and simple.

Hey Anonymous (AKA Red Sux Fan),

When you dish out terms like genius check your spelling and punctuation before hitting send or you run the risk of coming off like a small town Boston drunk. Like the rest of your so called "nation".
As for Yankee fans crying. We don't cry, we just expect to win all the time. Some thing you may or may not become familiar with over the next ten years.
What I love the most is how all of a sudden it is O.K. to spend money and drive up the prices to block a trade or improve your team so you can win again and again and again...sounds familiar!
You see all it took was for the Red Sux to act like the Yankees, they tried their way and we see how well that worked. Welcome to the big pool.
P.S.: Next you will be knocking down that rat hole you call a stadium to generate more revenue.

26 to your 8!

Oh I agree, they're robbing the Twins blind, and hey, good for them and Boston fans. And you know what, I'll sit back, have a beer and hope to see the Yankees pull a coup of their own and see Johan's name in the Mitchell report.

Ellsbury is a difference maker at the top of the lineup....he is f-a-a-a--s-t! He will have a very high obp at Fenway, even higher on a carpet such as the metrodome. He will steal a ton of bases and cause havoc when he is on base. He is able to cover more ground defensively than Melky, or most other CFer's for that matter. He will likely be a consistent 300-320 type guy who will not blast homeruns buy may develop into 15-18/yr. He HAS power, I've seen it...but he is more of a gap type hitter ...has great bat control, and can hit to all fields. He is a sparkplug...those "intangibles" that we all talk about. Watch and see...whoever he plays for, Ellsbury will be a several time AS, barring injury.

Lester/Crisp + 2 prospect is superior to Hughes/Melky + Prospects? Common. Bucholtz is the equivalent to Hughes so why aren’t the Twins demanding him in the deal? I think the Twins are being overly accommodating with the Sox and completely irrational with the Yankees. If you say the deal is Bucholtz/Crisp + Prospects then it’s closer.

But hats off if they pull it off. I just hope we don't over pay for a Haren or Bedard. Make no mistake they are NO Santana.

Reports are pretty universal that the Red Sox and the Twins have a done deal, and the Sox just need to negotiate with Santana.

The logical question: Will Boston pay $25 million a year for 4 or five years for a pitcher? (Santana rejected 4 years at $80 million from the Twins.) Will they then have enough money to replace Manny Ramirez, once his contract is up?

Interesting stat (to me, at least): In his career, Santana is 1-3 with a 6.89 ERA at Fenway Park.

Do you really think the Sox would go thru all of this if they did not intend to get a contract done with Johan???....please.

HANK SHOULD BE REMOVED

HE BLEW THIS WHOLE DEAL AND NOW WE'RE ALL GONNA SUFFER FOR HIS BOORISH IDIOCY

I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW INSIDE 3 MONTHS THIS DUMBA$$ HAS COMPLETELY USURPED BRIAN CASHMAN'S POWER TO NEGOTIATE.

THEO IS GOOD BUT THIS HAS DUMBA$$ WRITTEN ALL OVER IT

ANYBODY NOTICE HOW GRADUAL THEO HAS BEEN?

HANK LIKE SPOILED A CHILD THROWS HIS TRUMP CARD BEFORE THE MEETINGS EVEN BEGAN!!

SHAME ON YOU HANK

Fenway is no friend to lefties

Hank needs to shut his fat A$$ trap and sit back ... Cash was starting to get the Yankees back to where we needed them to be (nice mix of vets and kids) and Hank has blown into town and nearly effffed it all up.

He negotiated against himself for Arod and when Arod comes crawling back we don't even get him at a discount!!! $314 million for 10 years??? How is that a discount???

He let Posada scare the carp out of him ... Jorge WASN'T going anywhere!!! A 4th year??? for a 40 year old catcher???

And now this Johan deal. This is a mess right now and it's only going to get worse .... we either overpay for a pitcher who's not as good as Johan OR we stay pat and get our a$$es handed to us for the next 4 years by the Sox. Wonderful ... just wonderful.

OYF,

I've maintained from the beginning of this sweepstakes that Lester was "key". I believe that he is far more proven than anything the Yanks could or would offer. I believe the Twinks feel he can step in and fill a role they need filled immediately. I dont argue that Hughes (like Bucholz) has a higher potential ceiling...but neither of them are proven. I dont see how anyone could say that Melky is a better value than Crisp, let alone Ellsbury. Crisp is not going to win a batting title, but his offensive stats are about the same as Melky's and he is far faster, will steal more bases and is just outstanding defensively (sans the bazooka arm...again, defense is about far more than a howitzer arm). The Twins have a need for that speed in their lineup and in CF. Right now, with the players mentioned, the Sox just match up better for the Twinks and their needs.

Papa George would never let this crap go down!!!! I'm going to find my old SI w/ King George on the cover!!!!

The one contract question for Boston is what they can/will pay Beckett in a year or two when he comes up for renewal. Manny will be gone or making a fraction of what he does now, but can they have two $20 million/yr. pitchers? In a vacuum, maybe, but that doesn't seem to fit with Theo Epstein's usual M.O.

The Twins did ask for Bucholtz, but Boston said they wouldn't deal him and Ellsbury/Lowrie. So it leads to this, more or less. Two pitchers, Lowrie, and Crisp to replace Torii Hunter.

Do I think their offer is better than ours? Probably not. But the Sox DID have more offensive prospects than pitchers over the past year or two, and so it goes.

I do think Cashman/Hank will find a decent pitcher by trade or the scrap heap (although going to the AL East is a meatgrinder). And hopefully Phil Hughes (if not dealt) shows why they valued him so highly!

Bri:

Nothing is done yet, although the reports say it's all over but the shouting.

Still, they have to play the games. As a Red Sox, Santana would have to start 15 games a season at Fenway Park, probably four of those times against the Yankees and Pettitte/Hughes/Joba. The Red Sox are hemming themselves in with salary. All that saved them from second place last year was the Yankees' miserable start in April and May.

I'm not ready to jump into traffic on the Major Deegan yet.

How the Twins are not insisting on Bucholz with Hughes on the table...OH OOOPS!!!

I FORGOT HE'S NOW OFF THE TABLE...

EITHER WAY IT IS LUNACY

SMITH SHOULD HAVE HIS HEAD EXAMINED HOW COULD HE TAKE LESTER AND CRISP OR EVEN CONSIDER THOSE TWO WITHOUT BUCHOLZ!!

HAREN'S GONE

TO THE DBACKS

LECTURE ALERT LECTURE ALERT LECTURE ALERT:

ALL MY FELLOW YANKEE FANS NEED TO CALM DOWN RIGHT THE *EFF* NOW!

First of all - Phucker, buddy, Hank didn't blow this play. The Twins didn't like the package the Yankees offered. They wouldn't have liked it any more two days from now either.

Second of all - if the Red Sox have gone through all of this to get a package together, there's no way that they don't reach a signing agreement with Johan. And hey, that's fine. I'm really ok with Boston having Santana and Beckett and Dice in their rotation - it will make the champagne that much sweeter when we upset them. In the end, the best two money pitchers in Boston and New York are the same two from last year - Beckett and Andy.

Third - There are still a couple of months before Spring Training. Plenty of time for the Yankees to move on something else. True, the price for guys like Haren is going to sky rocket now that there is blood in the water around the Yankees, but Cashman is resourceful and I'm certain he can pull something together without having to give up the farm.

Fourth - Some instances of the RED SOX benefiting from the Yankees getting the guy both teams wanted: Yankees traded for Javier Vazquez so Theo's plan b was Curt Schilling. Red Sox wanted Alex, Yankees got him, so instead of dealing Manny for Alex and Nomar for Ordonez, the Sox kept Manny who won the WS MVP that year and traded for Orlando Cabrera. Theo also wanted Contreras and Pavano who both ended up with the Yankees - maybe this time around the Yankees are the ones who benefit from the perceived loss. Maybe Hughes and Chamberlain do turn into Bonderman and Verlander.

Fifth - While this looks like the lesser of the offers, we don't know all the details. And, what looks important to us, as fans, may not look important to the talent evaluators for the Twins (as I said, this team is obsessed with speed, hence they play guys like Nick Punto and Jason Tyner)

Sixth - MAN UP! WE'RE FANS OF THE 26 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS. B*TCHING AND MOANING ABOUT HOW WE DIDN'T GET THIS GUY OR THAT GUY AND THAT THERE IS SOMETHING FISHY IS UNSEEMLY FOR US. LEAVE THAT NONSENSE TO FANS OF LESSER TEAMS.

Bri:

Yeah but the converse to that is to keep Santana off Boston George would have given up Joba, Cano, and Hughes.

Cas,

If Lester's experience was the key then the Twins would have jumped when the Yankees put Wang on the table. Look, bottom line if this goes down I congratulate Theo on bamboozling a rookie GM in Bill Smith. I also congratulate the Yankees on standing firm and not letting a fear of a Santana/Beckett duo coax them into doing something stupid.

Phucker:

Who does Oakland get for Dan Haren from Arizona?

Did the Yanks put Wang on the table?

I am interested in a link that confirms the Haren deal too.

PACK LEADER

ALL DUE RESPECT

BULL$HIT

THIS IS THE SECOND YEAR IN A ROW ALMOST A YEAR TO THE DAY THAT THE YANKEES LOSE TO THE SOX FOR A PITCHER CONSIDERED TO BE THE GUY WHO SHIFTS THE BALANCE OF POWER IN THE EAST

WHY DID THEY RESIGN MARIANNO OR POSADA TO A ZILLION DOLLARS IF THEY'RE GONNA ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN?

It is interesting that an announcement was made that Ellsbury has dropped his former agent to sign on with Boras.....hmmmm. Wonder if that will help Billy Smith decide which package to take.

Cas,

At one point the Yankees offered Wang, Melky, and Al Horne and were turned down with the Twins saying that Wang was too close to his arbitration years (he's a year closer than Jon Lester)

I dunno Chip , this season can make of break the careers of Hughes , Kennedy, and Cashman!

That one is hard to figure Chip...it would seem that Wang would be an ideal pitcher for the Twinks with that sinker.

It's not complete yet M&M jumped the gun but say it's in the late stages..

Chip -

Lester won the WS game that is three times better than what Wang ever done in Big Game tatics, plus did you see Wang Performance in the playoffs?? all the Twinkies need is a ground ball pitcher gone bad , plus being a Ground ball pitcher on turf is not always the best thing especially if your stuff is not there

Wang however is the Yanks Wildcard!

with him moving from the Ace spot from which he was overrated in the pressure plus competition is removed.

The Ball need be placed in Andy;s hands and tell him this is your staff

One thing the Twinks will get with Lester, if the deal does go down, is a pitcher who actually gets better with men on base. He has an uncanny ability to get out of trouble. "Intangibles".

Phucker:

Allow what to happen? Do you not think the Yankees will be competitive next season? Keep in mind that when the Yankees made their big late season push and were crushing everyone in their path (including Boston) they did it with a rotation of Andy, Wang, Kennedy, Mussina, and Hughes. Now they are adding Joba to that mix who could be better than all of them. Guys like Igawa, Pavano, De Salvo, Chase Wright, Darrel Rasner - won't be making big starts in key situations - heck most of them won't even be on the roster at any point during the season because they have been passed on the depth chart by guys like Steve White and Alan Horne. The Yankees are still going to have a prolific offense. David Ortiz is still coming off of knee surgery and not getting any slimmer. Boston got a career year out of Pedroia which he may or may not repeat, who knows. Dice was average and could go either way coming back next year. Okajima and Timlin are both another year older. Schilling is another year fatter.

The Indians had the Cy Young winner and the guy who finished fourth in Cy Young voting in their rotation and couldn't get by Boston. I'm not handing the Sox a trophy and victory cigar just yet.

Why all the fuss?Has the trade gone down? Stop acting like a bunch of a**holes. Santana has been in decline since the 04 season and last year gave up career high 33HR. It would not break my heart if the Sox got him. In fact, I'am happy that the Yankees didn't give in and are going with the kids. Santana might be in his prime but the stats don't indicate that.

CHip & Cas

Obviously I'm a little angry and I apologize to all who may be finding my posts a bit irritating...

I'm really finding it difficult to swallow this in that both of you in particular Cas emphasized that we all temper our lust for Santana because of the cost to both teams and that the eventual winner could actually be the loser in that the Yanks would probably lose a Cano/Hughes/Joba and the Sox an Elsbury/Bucholz

The sox aren't loosing ANYONE Lester is a 4 I'd be able to understand if they took Bucholz and Elsbury but the two offers are not even in the same zipcode let alone ballpark.

As usual, Cas Ob is overstating her case, because she smells Santana coming to Beantown. Most baseball people know, unless your outfielder can not get to ANY fly balls, an outfielder who can prevent baserunners going 1st - 3rd, or 2nd - home are valuable. Teams will take the extra base at will against Ellsbury. That is why Melky is more valuable than Ellsbury. Same age (or younger) more big league experience and a switch hitter who will only get better - with some power/spraying the ball around to all fields. Experience will help Melky's plate discipline - he still hit .290. The only reason Yanks offered him in this deal is because the Twins NEEDED A CENTERFIELDER and there are others available via free agency.
Congratulations to your team for, apparently, getting Johan. We will still beat him in your house, or our house. Shilling is done. Buck-hole hasn't put in major innings yet - the same argument your side and all Yankee haters have been using against our kids. I bet our kids last longer this season than your guys. I am confident, even without Santana, that we will still beat your squad and re-claim the AL East. Our pitching is more stable and we will have a manager who knows how to use his pitching staff.

Comin' to get ya. Hear the footsteps.

Anon:

This season could make or break Hughes, Kennedy, Cashman? How do you figure that?

Cashman: Put the deal on the table that he was authorized to offer - the other team didn't take it. How do you figure that is Cashman's fault?

Hughes and Kennedy: So if they aren't as good as Johan Santana next year they are what, garbage? Traded for Dimitry Young and Raul Ibanez?

This is whats going to happen. The Red Sox offer the world for Santana just to keep him away from the Yankees. Then get him and screw up the contract talks on purpose for the deal will not get completed and they keep there players but also keep him away from the yanks. At least for another year.

Cas, In my book, there is no comparison between Lester and Hughes in terms of each respective ceilings. Call me a Yankee homer over evaluating talent, but there is a reason the scouts has Hughes as the number one overall prospect heading into this season. If the twins are that stupid, so be it. I'll take my chances with our boys...

how many HR's the yankees best gave up??

damm his decline years is better than any living soul on the yankees staff , then you all are relying on a 35 year old with elbow problems to be your savior, yes he has won games WS at that ...in the 90's! he is in decline your 5th starter is in decline Mussina , your pen is lead by a good one but the supporting staff is a bunch of losers , the same losers who almost destroyed your season. Give it up to the sox they won two WS in three years respect is due. A big gamble is being placed with relying on three rookies

On the other hand Chip,

Ortiz with a healthy knee may not only hit for high average, like last season, he may hit 50 dingers and 60 doubles. J.D. Drew may actually hit the entire season like he did in Sept/Oct. Ellsbury may become the phenom I predict and win the ROY and make the AS team in his rookie year as Bostons leadoff hitter. Manny ....well, never mind...Manny will continue being Manny, Lugo may acutually hit to his career average, youkils seems to get better every year, Lowell fresh off his WS MVP may have learned the secret of off-field hitting, Tek will do what Tek always does...hit 260/18/60 and k alot. Dice will likely have more success as he will be more acllimated to American baseball and American culture, Beckett will pick up where he left off, Santana will be santana, and the Boston bp will once again lead the ML's in era/holds/and not allowing men to score.

My scenario is of course, more to my liking, and I dare say, at least as feasible as yours. Cheers!

A few things limited the interest in Wang:

Perception that his record is overinflated due to run support (true)

Idea that a ground-ball pitcher would have some trouble pitching on turf (true)

Consistently increasing costs as Wang is now arbitration eligible (true)

Injury concerns (though mostly blisters) (somewhat true)

The thought that sinkerball pitchers can never be consistently successful (myth of baseball)

Chip

Is there a historical precedent in which a team has ever accepted an inter-division trade for a major pitcher?

Should I just take a valium because waiting on the news that we got Kazmir is going to take 5 years?

thank You casual for your sox stories but us YANKEE fans need to ponder right now.

Mikey,

Lay off that whine...it's clouding your judgment.