On the Yankees beat

I just commented on this on the previous thread but I think it's very risky to make this sort of statement if there are any skeletons with syringes in Roger's closet. I hope like heck that he is telling the truth, but I'm just a cynical baseball fan these days.

Reserve your judgment until you have solid proof. Maybe McNamee is bitter because the Yankees fired him. Maybe he had a run-in with Clemens or doesn't like Clemens and this is his way of paying him back. Maybe the Red Sox bribed McNamee with untold millions to make such claims. As long as you have what-ifs, you have reasonable doubt. A man is innocent until proven guilty -- even in the Communist Dictatorship MLB.

There are some players against whom there was no evidence except McNamee's unsupported word -- among them Clemens, Pettitte, and Justice.

Roberts and Connelly were others against whom there was no evidence except word of mouth.

But Roberts and Pettitte have already admitted that they did use, even if both claim that it was minimally (Roberts admits to once, Pettitte to twice).

And Red Sox front office emails refer to Connelly as a juicer.

Whether innocent or guilty, the holdouts from this group -- Clemens and Justice -- are going to have a harder time convincing anyone. (Though if Justice was taking it for his groin injury, which decimated the last two years of his career and led to his retirement, he is certainly no poster boy for the efficacy of HGH in promoting healing.)

Anonymous,

Well said, everybody is fast to make a judgement without all the facts.

I have to be honest with you, I don't believe anyone anymore. But I also thought the Duke Lax kids did it and I was way wrong there, so unless I have ironclad proof,I will give everyone the benefit of the doubt

Sorry, I meant Donnelly.

Hey, Connelly, Donnelly, ...that's how rumors get started...

You guys are all correct, we shouldn’t jump to conclusions like we did with OJ Simpson. An innocent man was deemed guilty in the court of public opinion, but luckily cleared his good name in the US judicial system. Good for him!

; )

Yeah, I went there.

Off topic...

I'm not offended by much at all, but if somebody could spike that first post because of the name, I'd be obliged.

Dru

Syringical Relations? HAH well done +-)

Kat, I second with Ed's 17:03 request.

That post should be removedl

In fact I raise Ed -- that poster should be banned.

A 4-week, double-blind Swedish study using 2 doses of HGH and placebo found no differences in subjects exercising on a bicycle in terms of power output and oxygen uptake.[3] In another study, a single injection of HGH increased plasma lactate and reduced exercise performance.[4]

[snip]

In addition to the lack of effectiveness for enhancing athletic performance, HGH has a downside. It can cause dose-related side effects including diabetes, carpal tunnel syndrome, fluid retention, joint stiffness, muscle pain, and high blood pressure.

It turns out that, like Paul Bunyan, the athletic benefits of HGH is a myth.

That's my opinion. I'm Dr. George Griffing, Professor of Medicine at St. Louis University and Editor in Chief of Internal Medicine for eMedicine
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I posted this on the previous thread so excuse me if I repeat myself:

When Sean Taylor of my beloved Redskins was killed I immediately figured this was some payback from some nonsense that took place with his old enemies in Florida, some gang type stuff or something. I even called a friend of mine and said "if a Redskins player were to get shot, who's name pops into your head first?" and he said without hesitation: Sean Taylor.
I jumped to conclusions with both feet. I thought this stupid, immature kid just got himself kid over something dumb. After the facts came out I realized this immature kid did the most mature thing possible: He died defending his family and his home so I promised not to just jump to conclusions without some evidence again.

Clemens is tough to believe for sure, but until I hear something concrete I guess I'll just shrug and say "who knows?".
Sean Taylor was voted to the Pro Bowl today as a starter- which is pretty nice.

Just one doctor but I figured it interesting...

Michael: HGH is the new placebo for athletes! It gives them confidence I guess. The mind is a powerful (and dangerous thing).

Hah

That could actually be true.

The other thread is better and the same subject.

I see Clemens denies the roids....I see Pettite only used it twice....I see Hank aka FREDO has said nothing publicly about the disgrace of his team!

What a joke franchise. Bunch of Lairs and CHEATS !!!!

Enjoy the demise !!!

fewwwww..finally got the 'real' anonymous post, I was getting worried. Thanks again buddy!!! I can always count on you!!!

Great post, Jim A.

Another great post Michael PTRS. Guess doctor knows best...

DRU: Do you live on this blog? Need a hug? I could easily beat each and every one of you in a baseball debate if I actually cared or had the time. Much more fun to just jab you to death as you wait all day to read strangers posts! Sad actually.

Now back to the facts:

Why keep two known roid heads on your team?

Where is Hank aka FREDO?

Does Cashman still have a job or is he in China finding the next Igawa?

Who is your middle relief?

Is Mariano getting older or younger?

Is Optrod ever going to hit in the playoffs?

Why do you never brush back Big Papi? Scared?

Is Wang really your ace? What is his era against the Sox and in the playoffs?

Enjoy your demise !

DO THE PAPLEBON BABY !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mitchell is lying about corroboration.

In his Q&A with the NYTimes, there is this exchange:

NYT: Was there any possible corroboration of what Brian McNamee said about Roger Clemens?
MITCHELL: Yes, it’s in the report. He told Kirk Radomski contemporaneously to these events what he was doing. So it’s a contemporaneous statement made to another person and each of them told us that separately not knowing what about the other person’s statement.

However, what the report actually says is: "Although McNamee never told Radomski the performance enhancing substances obtained were for anything other than McNamee's personal use . . ." and that McNamee "never explicitly told Radomski that either Clemens or Pettitte was using steroids or human growth hormone." (Mitchell Report p. 222) The report says that Radomski knew who McNamee trained and suspected they were using, and that McNamee "dropped hints". That's a far cry from what Mitchell told the NYTimes.

How many times have you been able to win a ring when facing Schilling ?

Schilling THREE ~ Lil yanks 0000000000000000000000000

p.s how much does bug man aka joba weigh? He is how old?

Anonymous Red Sox fan:

So what's your problem? Stupidity? Brain damage? Immaturity? What's your point? Your idiotic comments are worthless. You are just plain classless like your team. You have no class when you win and you have no class when you lose. You're obsessed with the Yankees when you lose and you're obsessed with the Yankees when you win ON A RARE OCCASION. Three WS in 100 years? NOT IMPRESSED. The count is 26 to 6 -- and there's more to come from the Elite Yankees, guaranteed. Be sure to visit us then when you take your face out of the sand after hiding in embarrassment. Our defeat of you LOSERS AT HEART will be even sweeter.

Funny story...My wife took me up to Boston for Valentines day a couple years ago ( it was actually the Valentines day when A-rod signed with the Yanks ). We went out to a nice restaurant, then went to a jazz club to have some drinks. When we get into the jazz club I see three miserable souls wearing Red Sox Jerseys at the bar, heads down and drinking down giant beers. What the f*ck are you losers doing wearing Trot Nixon jerseys on Valentines day? Drinking beers at a jazz bar looking like the most miserable saps on earth? Its not even baseball season yet? What f*ckin losers! Then the next day we're walking down some street with shops, nice place. Every other shop has "yankees suck" shirts and hats. I thought to myself, you would really have to look hard for a "Red Sox suck" hat in Manhattan. You guys are like the red headed step children that didnt get enough attention. Get over it you LOSERS. What is the obsession with the Yanks? We could care less about the Sox, yet you sweat us like that fat bitch the killed Salena. I really could not believe the obsession with the Yanks...get over it already.

That Sox anon has seriuos issues! Imagine having nothing better to do than hide in anonymity and spew garbage on a rival team's board! Wow , no wonder the economy sucks! I still don't get going on other team's blogs????? Is it me or is just an invitation to stir crap and 99% of those who do that ....do EXACTLY THAT???!!!

Seriously dude , get a life , a job , or a girlfriend...........it may keep you from making a complete @sshole on another team's blog.

Btw, nice retort DRU! Don't let the welfare recipient get you down....unless you consider our taxes float this losers bills....he's our b*tch.

On a side note , I have seen The Yankees win 6 of their 26 titles also watched them unfortunately lose in 4 others....seems a hell of alot more than 2 in your lifetime....not only an underachiever but an underachieving also ran.

To funny. 4 flat screens .... And how lil is your wee wee that you need to tell us that? Come on tough guy why all the big threats? You live in Jersey? The arm pit of America? Too funny. Is Bruce your favorite singer? Let me guess Bon Jovi tattoo?

Sox rings are lucky but your ROID rings are not? You are comical.

You dated yourself also. You have seen FOUR RINGS....Which means you became a fan in 96. What a LOSER !!! Go back to the Jersey shore and smell that oil and walk on those needles!

Love the fact you just wrote a NOVEL to answer me, yet I am a troll.

Got under your skin eh ???

I win ...You lose!

BTW. I can destroy you in market talk as well cold caller! Consider me the other man at the end of your phone calls Jersey boy!

DRU,

You nailed it! Yankee fans wouldn't walk around with "RedSox Suck" or the cool kid peeing on The Sox logo and the like .Talk about no class and an inferiority complex.

Realist stop lying. You go on the Islanders and Rangers blogs all the time and stir it up. I am a Yankee fan, but don't lie!

Gary,

I hate hockey so maybe you have me confused with someone else....

Realist - I know brother, sometimes I wish I could track down ignorant little punks like that and publicly beat them. I would carve a NY on his forehead and tattoo I love Jeter across his chest. If I saw this guy at a bar, he wouldn’t say sh*t about the Red Sox. He’d be kissin my @ss and buying me beers. I guess that’s the drawback of the Internet, everyone is a tough guy.

Damn, I guess I come off like that too……sorry to the rest of the community.

Why wouldn't you tattoo JERSEY since that is where you are from? NYC wannabe. At the end of the day you got a 908 area code not 212.

DRU,

I feel the same... though the punk would probably sue after getting his head kicked in and be a bigshot in his housing project...lol!

Realist- The men are fighting, please go make dinner!

Anon is annoying, but pretty darn funny. He is getting you guys all fired up and saying kind of petty things. Either ignore him or move on.

LOL...anon, you really do kill me. I have those 4 screens at work, I have this site on the bottom right screen while I work on the other three. Thats the point when you say Im on here all day, I am, while Im at work making deals that you can only make in Monopoly.

And no, I saw 4 rings because I was actually a fan before they became good. Not like you who were probably a fan in 04. I suffered through the 80's watching them.

destroy me in the market talk...LOL...now that was funny!

BTW - you didnt get under my skin, because I know thats the only reason you came on here, im just shooting back, now you cant take it?? Make you feel good doesnt it to try and stir the pot? Keep working on that complex of yours. The best part is that when the Sox lose, you will be the most miserable f*ck on the face of the earth. Even though you wont be around to defend your team because you are a coward, I will be thinking of your misery and smiling

= )

PS. I hate Bon Jovi and Bruce..lol

Lol , I am a good cook...thanks for recognising it :-)!

anon - I live in Jersey and work in manhattan. It does suck with the double taxes, but someone has to support your family.

Claire...he is pretty funny..lol...I always enjoy a good round of sh*t tossing.

Claire,

He isn't getting under my skin.........thank goodness his garbage is making you laugh...doesn't take much to make you laugh , I guess?

Way off again Jersey boy. Sox win or lose could care less. It is a sport. Now the global economy and subprime debacle is a different story. This is fun.

"Just business sonny, never personal!"

p.s Monoply deals with realestate. Not a realtor in the country needs 4 screens. So either come up with a different example or stop waisting electricity.

If this was a title fight the annoying chowder head would have won in the fifth with a TKO. The reason being you guys started cursing and saying same old stuff about his wallet and house. He is original and funny!

Pesky poll, oh so you can read now? Just because you know the CNN headline of "subprime debacle", doesnt mean you know anything about the Fixed Income market, or Global Clearance, or Hedge funds? Ever hear of Bear Stearns? Know about their headquarters at 383 Madision Ave in NY? We have a little office up there in the outpost you call Boston as well, along with Singapore, Tokyo, Dublin, London, Hong Kong and every major US city across this great country. Dont come to a gun fight with a knife little boy.

JIM A. ?????? Naaah Jim A.

Geez , you have to invent monikers like Claire , PESKY and now JIM A.

Come on .........

I think Dru is right...LOL..anyone can use another name jack@ss...HAHAHAHA!!!!

PESKY,

You could care less if the Sox win or lose? Then what the hell are you doing here? Oh, I get it. You don't care if the Sox win or lose -- but you do care more what the Yankees are doing. You care about the Yankees more than the Red Sox. You're really a Yankees fan more than you're a Red Sox fan, that's obvious. I don't blame you, really.

Anon , PESKY , Claire , JIM A. ,

I am hoping you aren't trying to claim I am DRU and realist to deflect the fact that you are doing just that. You are something...must be a hoot at kid's parties;-)?

anon - Pesky- JIM A...whatever you want to call yourself. Dont try and pretend you wouldnt care if the Sox lost and that is has no bearing on your life. A normal fan would not go to another teams site just to stir the pot unless they were like one of those guys I saw on Valentines day with a Trot Nixon Jersey. You have serious issues pal.

Those of you who FEED THE TROLLS make the blog a bore for regulars who are interested in baseball, not middle-school name-calling. Take a look around, see who's here and who's not, and get a clue.

See you tomorrow.

Realist...I was the anon at 19:28 to prove your point...lol

Why would I watch CNN with channel 355 on all day? Do you think Maria has lost her touch? Jims girl is pretty hot when they arge, but nothing compares to big red in the tight sweaters!

You cannot be that smart if you work for Bear and compare that to Monopoly.

Come on guy. I have a bazooka. As for your firm congrats. As I said, you are calling me. Wanna know which hedge fund? Think hard. Wellsley ? million plus to get in ????

No more time to play. Things to do. I never signed in as anyone not MA. related. So Claire and Jim b are another person. Funny that you talked to them though.

and I did win. as usual.

p.s If we get Santana....Break all four computers and use a chalkboard b/c I will be a lot more than annoying!

NSH,

Here's a clue...........get over it!

There you go and thanks for your input which is actually troll like.

NSH - Sorry brother, but like Popeye once said..."thats all I can stands and I cant stands no more". I had to put this punk in his place once and for all. Now next time he comes back and says "Bwahhhh or some other BS, he will know that I have his balls in a box on my desk....yes the one with the 4 screens.

My point further proved :-)

Goodnight all Yankee and Sox fans.......see ya tommorrow!

Realist you are not even in the fight. DRU and ANON are the funny ones. You are like the Potsy guy in Happy Days hanging around. Sit on it!

anon - dont go, we were having so much fun??

anon... The Monopoly reference was put in so that a simp like yourself could understand. If you read money.cnn.com, then I guess I can talk to you like an adult about the financial market. So it looks like we’re done for today. Any time you want to talk about the market, global economy, the sox, the yanks...just give me a heads up and we can start our own thread. I dont think the good people on this blog deserve to see you get bitch slapped up and down all night long. Thats it for me folks...again, sorry for the inconvenience.

Anon- see you soon sweet heart

Realist wrote

"You nailed it! Yankee fans wouldn't walk around with "RedSox Suck" or the cool kid peeing on The Sox logo and the like .Talk about no class and an inferiority complex."

My head just exploded.
I'll take a little bit of revisionist history...
But to write a statement like that is like saying "California is on the East Coast."

Realist... want some time to take that back?

Seriously?

Or did I imagine the "Boston Sucks" chant all of those years?
Did I imagine kids wearing shirts that had on them "Not All Red Sox Fans Are Sh*t Heads" with a picture of a Penis in a Red Sox uniform?

Did I imagine the 19-18 chant?
Why no 19-48 chant for the Indians?
Why no 19-83 chant for the Orioles?
Or Ne-Ver! Chant for the Mariners?

Seriously Realist... I like you. You are a good Yankee fan and a lot of fun.

Want to take this time to take that back?

the above post was mine

Just to be clear, until this post, NONE of the posts credited to me after 17:13 are mine. I'm glad Realist figured that out but wanted Dru, Claire, etc. to know that.

Goodnight all....catch you in the morning.

By far the funniest post of the day was anons reference to CNBC. The women he talked about Maria Bartoloma, The pretty red head at lunch, and the new hot brunette (that talks with Jim Kramer) was hysterical.

He pegged that one!

Please get off our Yankee site Red Sox bitches! Please crawl back under your rocks and post on your Boston Globe Blog. There are some of us on this site who would rather talk Baseball than hear your bitching. Yes, you have won the last few rounds, but this War will go on long after all of us are gone! But right now we are winning 26-6. So deal with it!

We will fight between the lines in 2008 and see who wins the next round.

Baseball is a Game: Remember.

Many of the charges are based on hearsay, particularly those against Clemens who is now being skewered based on the unchallenged testimony of one man. Clemens may be guilty ( I keep going back to the bat throwing incident against Piazza in the 2000 Series), but he should not be convicted until he has his day in court, and that's if he is ever charged with anything. The self righteous arbitors in the press have already done a disservice to baseball by accepting any allegation in the Mitchell report as unquestioned fact.

The New York ~ Boston fued goes long past baseball.

When the Portuguese showed up to New England in the 1800's with a soup made of Tomatoes and clams (in a red broth) they tried to call it Portuguese clam chowder. The locals laughed and said "clam chowder"???? "In a red broth with tomatoes?"

They said that is the stupidest thing they ever heard (while in their heads thinking chowder should be white like their New England Chowder!)

They immediately told them to call it MANHATTAN CLAM CHOWDER b/c it was so ridiculous.

Hence the name was born. All b/c the New Englanders thought a red chowder was so stupid it should be associated with NY.

bwahahahahhahahahahahahah

p.s Futures are down, 10am is huge for all of us, Bear aka NJ mullet hair boy is late bringing the big boys coffee.

I sign off and all heck breaks out!

NSH,

Potsy Webber???? Well it's better than Ralph Malph , I guess ;-).........btw, I believe your "Potsy" referance was pointed at the person using my handle...either way think what you want. You are one person I would never want backing me up in battle ;-)..j/k!

Sully,

I have never seen one of those shirts you described....I bet they are newer and in reply to the idiotic "Yankees Suck" and so forth that have been around for quite sometime!

I live in New England and see this garbage all over....it is as if the WS wins mean nothing ONLY the Yanks NOT winning matters. It is pathetic and lacks class.

You also point out chants????????????? I guess "Darryl" (mets) and "Yankees Suck" didn't occur til the Sox fans were pushed too far????? I seem to remember it the other way around? How about the 1999 and 2000 playoffs at Fenway where games had to be temporarily stopped due to overzealous fans?

Either way , it is wrong but let's not forget whom plays it more. Please don't give me the inferior / superior dealio. I am one fan that ONLY cares about my team. Unlike the people who troll on here and run around with anti yankee logos when they have won 2 of the last 4 WS.

Now , as I have said before , when I say this about Sox fans ...classy ones like you and CO aren't included. I sometimes forget to add that but as this is a yankee blog I shouldn't have to every time.

Lastly, as I stated before this is a yankee blog and I am a Yankee fan. I don't need to made to feel bad for any of my statements regarding my team on it's blog.

From the people who brought you; "I did not have sex with that woman!"

Now comes ...

"I did not take steroids!"

After we've heard ...

"I threw the broken bat at Piazza because I thought it was the ball."

"There was no need for the police to escort me away from the brawl at my son's Little League game."

"And I did not take steroids! ... I mean, I can't even find, after 20 years in the Major Leagues, the right cleats that won't give me blisters ... even for a million dollars per game ... so how could I possibly figure out how to inject steroids?"

LOL....Funny stuff Ant Man!

So now the headcase drama queen needs a Hollywood "manager". I thought he was just a baseball player??? Totally UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

Rick- you posted that on the last thread and I responded so I'll paste my response as here as well.

Rick,
Where the heck you been man?

Yeah, it's weird that A-Rod had to hire this guy but if you think about it, he gets killed for every move he makes so he might as well have a PR guy on hand. He's not the first guy to have one, by the way as a lot of the players use Howard Rubinstein's (George's PR guy) son.
Jeter has his own PR staff so don't go blasting away at A-Rod just yet.

This move was to put a line between A-Rod and Boras, as A-Rod said, why fire Boras now when he has signed his last contract and paid the guy $15M? Make him earn it but keep him away from the publicity side of the A-Rod empire and that's a smart thing to do.
Because of his salary, he is a magnet for publicity no matter what he does and to some media and fans, nothing he does is right. Look at the NY Times article a couple of weeks ago where they pointed out that he was evicting people from apartments he owns. What they neglected to point out was that he bought the buildings, got rid of the drug dealers, cleaned up and modernized the apartments and charged a very reasonable rate for rent and when people DID NOT PAY he evicted them....yet he gets killed for that in the paper for putting these poor people on the street.

Hopefully this guy can handle his public relations and he'll use Boras to handle his law related items and he won't have to talk to Boras. The circle of trust gets pretty small when you make that kind of money I guess.

Jim A.,

Good to see the "real" you! I am a landlord and agree about the article regarding ARod.

It can be a no win situation in this business...you have less rights than your tenants and most know it. I have luckily had few times I had to evict someone and became the "@sshole Landlord"...well if you don't pay am I supposed to support you? If you are dealing drugs out of my building , am I too look the other way? If you move in a registered sex offender , without my consent in a building withyoung children , am I to just allow it? Ofcourse not!..but you still end up being the bad guy..even though you are right.

Jeter has had a PR machine for quite awhile and as you said , many other athletes have as well. ARod is under such a huge microscope that when he farts it is backpage news.

I made my last post at 19:32 yesterday.

Evidently one of our trolls had a lot of fun talking to himself under our names.

NSH,

Wow , that makes me feel better buddy :-) :-)

Realist,
Even though A-Rod wasn't mentioned in the Mitchell Report, he's the second most mentioned person when people discuss it (next to Clemens). I mean, up until yesterday, one of ESPN.com's headlines was that A-Rod denied using steroids....err okay, so did about 400 other players as well.

I've been a landlord on a small scale in the past as well and you are right, the tenants hold all the cards and you are never seen as the good guy at all.

Jim A.,

I know what you mean , there is no evidence against ARod yet the media outlets want to create a stir for ratings and such.....or at least it seems? Quite sad that some use the "power of the pen" and the airwaves to stir nonsense for their advavtage.

I don't think it's odd that Rodriguez hires a PR guy. Many sports figures have them.

What's odd is that he hires a HOLLYWOOD PR guy with no sports background and no others sports clients.

What's odd as well is that he has not acknowledged that he used a PR guy all along but it was one out of Boras's 'stable' (Boras is not just an agent for sports contracts, he runs a 'full service' office with many professions represented including public relations people, accounting people, all sorts of people that players need and that young players often don't know how to find for themselves early in their careers without getting duped by dishonest hangers-on).

Diane,

Thanks for pointing that out! I guess the Boras break may be deeper than I had thought? I was unaware of Boras' ties to the entertainment industry as well. Even though major sports are a form of "entertainment".

anon - Sorry little man, been a busy morning. Listen it doesn’t matter to me if you're a Hedge fund manager or an intern. Just like you don’t care if I was the CFO or a temp. I still think you're full of sh*t and just watched a couple episodes of that that crazy cracker yelling at the TV on Mad Money.

I’m not going to get into a pissin match with you again today though; it bores me and the rest of the gang. I know all I need to know about you when you come to a Yankee site and post bwahahahahah like a 4th grader. The sad thing is that if the Sox tank, you will be nowhere to be found. If the Sox win, you'll be here posting some BS. See it’s a win win situation for you, because we cant track you down. You're too much of a p*ssy to show up if your team sucks, like in 06. I’m sure you were hiding under a rock last year as your lead went from 14 games down to 2. I’m also sure you were huddled in the fetal position when the Indians were about to knock you out of the playoffs. As soon as they win though, here you come!! How honorable and brave of you. I’m sure all your peers (whether it be the water cooler company, or the people who clean off my desk) really respect you. That's something you will never get around here. Good guys like Sully can actually have a conversation about the Sox and Yanks. I have a handful of friends that are Sox fans as well; none are of your breed. I pity you, I really do. Hopefully you can grow out of this state of mind and be an adult about something as trivial as sports.

We'll that’s all I have to say about that. Enjoy posting stuff that nobody will pay attention to; whatever makes you feel whole in this crazy world of ours.

Talk to the rest of you after lunch, again sorry for going off the deep end last night and “feeding the troll”.

Whats odd is you pay Optrod 300 million when your owner said he would not? What is odd is he bats .071 in the playoffs and yet was handed the keys to the castle? Imagine if he batted Wangs era in the playoffs and wang pitched his avg. Than we would have a team!

Morning fellow Yankee fans,
I saw where there was a renegade Anemone Bosox fan trying to argue with our crew in here. Probably started beating his boyfriend and pet hamster after getting frustrated by all of the logic.
Remember, Redsux fans - Pesky likes pole but since he suffers from dementia, he doesn't know the difference......

Just a matter of time.....we are counting down the days, hours, minutes.........

Down with RS Nation (Spare Sully the Seamonster)<