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If Cano and one of the young arms is the price for Santana - the Twins can keep him.

I don't see Cashman pulling the trigger on a deal like that and I may go shoot him myself if he did.

Wait until next year when they can sign him outright instead of giving up a ton of young talent to get him a year early.

Mortgaging the future now doesn't make a whole lot of sense and I suspect the Yankee front office realizes that.

Cano is a terrific player... a solid dangerous hitter who could flourish and have a great career.

But Santana is putting together a Hall of Fame career.

It's not too early to say that. Yeah he could flame out or get injured like some other Aces who came out of the gate strong (a la Dwight Gooden, Fernando Valenzuela and Bret Saberhagen)

But Santana is a consistent Cy Young candidate and one of the few legit aces in the game.

Even this year, a down year for him, he was still second in the AL in strike outs among the league leaders in innings pitched, ERA, strikeout ratio and won 15 games on a team with a losing record.

Pitchers like Santana are special and you do what you can to get them.

If the Twins want Ellsbury and Buccholz, I'd say God's speed Jacoby and Clay... thanks for the memories and that shiny ring on your finger.

If you can bring in an Ace... you do it

I'd give up Cano but none of our three prized pitchers. Cano and Melky are fair trades for Santana. It's easier to find position players than ace pitchers.

Do not Trade Cano or our top prospects to the Twins for Santana.

I would like to see the process of transition from an old team to a younger team with our young blood from the farm system. Yes all three have potential and have not made it but the major leagues are littered with our farm hands playing well for other clubs. Every High price pitcher comes with the potential for injury. Look at Ms. Pavano. Keep these kids together do not pay higher than the market demands. Santana plays every 5th day. Cano is everyday. Stay in house. Stick to the plan.

We would have a hole at third and second then we would have to trade more of our top notch prospects to fill 2nd and 3rd. Live we the young guys and develope them.

Ace or not, it just doesn't make sense to trade that much.
It would be better to wait till July's deadline and then trade for him when the Twins are of it, that is if he's not traded away before.

Fair enough Alvaro
I think going younger is the right way to go, Larry...

But players like Santana should be an exception because they are exceptional

I like what Anon said. Give up Cano and a pitcher other than the big three (Joba, Hughes and Kennedy).

Cano, Brackman and Humberto Sanchez should get it done.

Besides Sully, you're saying giving up only Ellsbury and Buccholz, I would also give away that in a heart-beat.
Melky and Kennedy for example is a no brainer, but adding Cano, is just a bit too much, we should receive something more besides Santana. It's a very hard decision. We'll all to have to wait and see what happens.

I don't think that would do it, Chuckie.

Both of those pitchers are coming off TJ. Brackman won't be on a major league mound until late 2009 at the earliest and Sanchez won't be fully recovered until late 2008.

I'm sure the Twins want young talent that will make an immediate impact on the big club.

Trading Cano and one of the big 3 for Santana, the Yanks would be taking two steps back and one step forward by giving up so much young talent.

Cashman isn't stupid enough to make that kind of deal.

After losing A-Rod, trading Cano would be DUMB!!!

So, what would you folks think if the Yanks had to give up Cano and Melky? I think I would do it although I think Cano is going to be a star, like Sully said Santana is putting together a heck of a career, is still under 30 and is LEFT HANDED. He's a very rare breed and I think the Yanks would have to take the chance on acquiring him. They could sign Luis Castillo to play second and get some pop in the lineup from the new CF (Hunter?) and 3B (?), but with Santana AND the the three kids in the rotation, they would win a lot of games the old fashioned way...with pitching and defense.
It's a tough call and I'd probably waffle on it but I'd have to do it.
I still remember Cashman's reaction when Toronto called and told him the price for Clemens would be Wells, Lloyd and Bush. He said his knees buckled and I guess this would be a similar case.

Having said all that, I still think the Dodgers may have the most to offer, but we'll see.

Obviously, you dont trade for Santana at all unless you get an extension

i would trade 2 cano's for johan santana. he's 28, lefty and an ace. pitching and defense is the key, and while cano is solid, he is well worth the price for santana. of course an extension would have to be in place. cano and kennedy plus prospect. you all are forgetting that the chances of hughes, chamberlain, and kennedy all being top 3 pitchers is extremely unlikely, but santana is proven.

I say, "hell no" to that trade. I like to see Santana pitching for the Yankees (which Yankee fans don't?) but that is too much to give up, yes, even for him.

Since you're going to have to give him a hefty contract in order to secure him, even after you trade for him, why don't we just wait until he becomes a free agent next year and that get him then?

If you can't buy him then, then you wouldn't be able to buy him after trading for him and see him leave as a free agent.

Did I explain correctly?

I say, "hell no" to that trade. I like to see Santana pitching for the Yankees (which Yankee fans don't?) but that is too much to give up, yes, even for him.

Since you're going to have to give him a hefty contract in order to secure him, even after you trade for him, why don't we just wait until he becomes a free agent next year and that get him then?

If you can't buy him then, then you wouldn't be able to buy him after trading for him and see him leave as a free agent.

Did that make sense?

Give em Cano or Melky along with Wang then pray that Torre was wrong on Pettitte the other day. Wang is solid but replacable and was a two time time disaster this off season as well as in big games down the stretch especially on the road. Santana, Pettite, Hughes, Chaberlain, and Kennedy would be a deep rotation with a nice blend of youth and experience the core of which would be here for a long long time. Plus the two lefty's leading it would give David Ortiz nightmares.

Steve O

Yes, this is a golden opportunity for the Yankees to acquire Santana in a trade. But my problem with the trade is our younger guys do have the potential but the first year of big league competition they're more than likely not going to win 15 each and our other pitchers do not compliment Santana. The price is too high for one piece of the puzzell. We gain the pitcher but loss a quality second baseman and need to fill third plus pitching is still far from championship quality. I'd do it if the price were Melky, Kennedy and maybe Clippard.

Sully, if the Yankees had Beckett and Dice K with Schilling as number 3/4. I'd do the deal with 3 high quality starters becasue now the rotation is unbearable to hit against.

NFW do I trade Ellsbury and Bucholz, even for Santana.

Swapping a future superstar who is a bonafide "5 tool" player who will play everyday and also a pitching phenom such as Bucholz, who imo will be as good as Beckett in time, for a guy who will pitch every 5th day would be a huge mistake for Boston to make.....they dont need Santana...they have very solid pitching as it is.

Let Santana get his payday somewhere else other than in Boston....I'll take the future stars in Ellsbury and Bucholz.

Good Morning All

Salute to all the vets!

Well lets see if your Brian Cashman

A. Ride with three unprovens in a Rotation wh do not pan out and Immediatley will be shown the door

B.Get a Young Ace who can anchor the rotation , Was,nt people on here saying "2nd Baseman's so easy to find"

Now I the Super Genius would not never ever ever Make such a trade , ( I never have places a sheeps A## over my eyes )

Cano and some lower tier prospects? yes you then make the trade assuming you have a extension in place.

Wil E Coyote:

Bloggers were referring to Cano going to third and finding a second baseman. if we give up Cano and our prospect pitching its too many holes to replace and we're right back to an old team, once again.

Tisk , Tisk

If three rookies fail your looking at more than an OLD team, you must learn from errors , remember when the mets just knew they had the Big three? In fact remember when the Yankees knew they had the trio with Wade johnson and crew?

Nothing is wrong with having such but the law of nature points out with two creaky vets (maybe if Pettite comes back) and three rookies the chances are slimmer. Meaning you do not have a Statiscally sure thing. However would I do this trade??? Nope! I tell you why not because of the pitchers but because of Cano's heart the Kid plays to win.

What this trade request does is lower the price for a Peavy whom I would offer Melky and some pitching for.

I know one thing YOU CAME A LONG WAY ROBBIE CANO!!!!

Puff a cigar !! I remember when you was turned down for Jamie Moyer and Randy Johnson

If the Twins insist on Cano I just say the hell with it and hold out for a year then get Santana next season when all it costs is money.

Right on Chip. I don’t mind giving up Melky if needed but not Cano. We can always replace Melky with Hunter or Rowand. Even though Cano is a free swinger, there is no one that is available that can replace him.

Melky and two other prospects should get it done if thats what the Twins want.

My son and I were debating this yesterday. He said that in no way, shape or form would he trade Chamberlain, Hughes or Cano for Santana. I had told him that Chamberlain is off limits, but i would consider packaging Hughes somehow. I mentioned this on Friday. He said, along with someone else here on this thread, that he would do Wang, Melky and Kennedy for Santana and go with a top three of Santana, Chamberlain and Hughes along with Mussina as the 4th starter, coming up with one of the other pitchers say Horne, as the 5th.

That may be doable. Now, I'm reverting back to my stance of not trading either Chamberlain or Hughes at all.

I'm starting to feel like a politician now:

"Read my lips: You're not getting Joba or Phil!"

John,

What happened to the Giants yesterday? They looked pretty good in the first half but fell apart in the second. It shows that we have a glaring weakness in the secondary. Also how do you have so many delay of game penalties. Manning is just not a big game QB. Ok now onto the Yanks. I love how we all say that Joba is off limits and we haven’t even seen him start yet. Of course we know that if he fails as a starter we can always put him back in the pen. I would definitely do a Wang, Melky, Kennedy for Santana. Is it me, or am I the only one that was actually more impressed with Kennedy over Hughes. I know he pitched less innings and was hurt but I saw more from him than Hughes.

Mike,

That game was awful yesterday!

I can't kill Manning for letting that one get away inspite of the 3 delay of game penalties. The real culprits were those 2 holding penalties, one which took a TD off the books. If the Jints didn't hold there, the game would have been tied at 24. The corners are still a little weak, but they're not bad. My big problem with the Jints is that they talk a great game; doing that all week long to anyone that would listen to them. Then they go out and don't back up their gum flapping with a solid, all around performance. Now they can kiss the division goodbye as they are not catching Dallas. If they don't tank like they did last season, they should be a wild card team, maybe even getting a home game in the 1st round. Let's see how they do against the Lions on Sunday.

Like I said before, i feel like a politician on what the Yanks should do as far as Santana goes. maybe they should just forget that, and do some of the moves that Anthony Rieber suggested in his column. I actually likes a lot of what he said it that column.

Mike:

You're not alone. Kennedy impressed me more than Hughes. Only caveat -- we saw so little of him it's hard to know if those glimpses translate to reality. Anyway Hughes looks like a potential middle-of-rotation guy, Kennedy might have a higher ceiling but too soon to be confident of this.

Bomber:

What's with the disguise?

Just the Facts,

I'm not sure that I agree with your take on Hughes being a middle of the rotation guy. He had that hamstring injury and then the ankle sprain which set him back a lot. When he came back, he just wasn't sharp. In the division series against Cleveland, he threw great and was pretty dominant I thought. he made one bad pitch in game 1 for a solo shot, but other than that, he looked real good to me.

Also, he'll have Eiland as his pitching coach this year which should really help him.

John G.,

Maybe Hughes has more to show us and will turn out to be an Ace, and here's hoping that's true. I just didn't see that much evidence of it and you know how I am about evidence!

On the other hand, little as I saw of Kennedy it all seemed consistent, so I'm hopeful that that early promise turns into consistently top-of-the line performance.

Maybe we've both got a piece of the truth and they're both top-of-the-rotation kind of guys.

Can't wait for ST.

This trade is STUPID. I don't care if its Johan Santana. Cano is younger. If he stays healthy and plays as long as Jeter will, He'll have a HOF career. We will most likely have the chance to sign Santana next year via Free Agency. You can't Give up a Potential gold glove winner and HOFer for a one year rental. I don't agree to trading for Santana unless the twins are stupid enough to take Mussina and Giambi. I know it's early to say Cano might be a hofer in the future, but look at Jeter's numbers. He has more power and if he stays healthy and wins some world series he will be.

The Twins are the one giving up the Hall of Famer here. Obviously you don't make the trade unless you can sign him to an extension (like what the Sox did with Pedro back in 1997)

Cano is a damn good player but in order to get a difference making pitcher like Santana you can't always expect to give up nothing...

My boys gave up Hanley Ramirez, a potential MVP, to the Marlins... but got Beckett and Lowell... only the ALCS MVP and the World Series MVP.

If Joba is untouchable, which he probably should be, then I'd say Hughes or Kennedy could be expendable for a pitcher like Santana.

I'm not saying shop Kennedy, Cano and Hughes around... but the chance to bring Santana is something ANY team should jump at

John,

I hear you about the Giants. I really don't want to see a replay of last years second half. They better come out strong against Detroit. As for the Yanks, I would love to see Santana on this team but I also don't want to lose any of the young kids. I to, am starting to double talk like a politician. LOL

Just the Facts,

I know. You're big on facts and right now, they are in your dugout. Can't argue on that.

I just have a feeling on Hughes. With Eiland here now to help this kid grow, I see big things for him.

I have my fingers crossed.

The only way that I'd trade Cano, Melky and/or Kennedy is if I know that I was getting Sandy Koufax back in the deal; not Johann Santana.

Sorry, but that's just too much to give up.

If any of you guys didn't read Lupica's column yesterday, here it is:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2007/11/11/2007-11-11_scott_boras_talks_big_bucks_but_arod_lac-8.html

I know that most, if not all of you hate this guy, but this is a good column on A-Rod.

Mike,

The funny thing about that holding penalty that cost the Jints a TD was that the hold was by Coughlin's son-in-law.

I wouldn't want to be him and go to the in laws for Thanksgiving. LOL.

One more thing on the Giants. Even if they get to the post season, they aren't going very far. Even if they somehow manage to get by Dallas (HAHAHAHAHA), they won't stand a chance against either NE or the Colts.

John,

You right. It will be a happy Thanksgiving dinner. Hey let's not forget about the Packers. Do they play the Cowboys at all this year?

Mike,

Green Bay is at Dallas on Thanksgiving night. The game is on the NFL network at 7:15 est.

Now Now, i dont think cano involved in a trade is worht it. He is 24, many consider him to win a batting title in a few years and with A-Rod gone he is bound to move up in our batting order and get more AB's. We also dont have a back up for him. At third worst case scenarion is Betemit. A young switch hitting player. We have won with the likes of Scotty B and others at 3rd. Trading Cano would hurt more yrs down the road. Now Cabrera on the other hand makes sense. He can be replaced now, via free agency or Tabata in a few yrs. As for our "big 3" the only one i would be willing to part with is Kennedy. Hughs has been brought up though our farm system regarded as the "next clemens" he is too young and shows to much potential, same with chamberlain. These 2 would haunt us if we traded them. A deal i would see possible is a melky, kennedy, ohlendorf, a position player from the minors is what they seem interested in and check this...Jason Giambi. I cant believe Giambi hasnt been involved in more rumors. of course we would pay a HUGE part of his salary for the twins but a dh with star power and a great personaliy is what the twins need especially because their fans will be pissed to lose hunter and santana.
Yankee Rotation
santana, wang, hughs, chamberlain, mussina/pettite? and f course we will bring up some other young arms
lineup
damon lf, jeter ss, abreu rf, hunter cf, matsui dh, cano 2b, posada c, duncan

now the twins rotaion would be in trouble but with liriano back and kennedy and the promotion of young arms they would be ok but the middle of their batting order would be lethal with mauer, cuddyer, morneau, giambi, kubel

thats all folks... bottom line, i wont regret a trade involving people who havnt proven themselves but i will regret one if it involves cano, hughs r chamberlain

you all need to get the all star hitting lineup mentality out of your heads. pitching is and always will be the key. havent the last 7 years been proof of that. the yankees won with castoffs in the 90's in the lineup. you think anyone wanted brosius after hitting .203 in oakland? how about mariano duncan? how about the revolving door of left fielders. i bet everyone can remember the pitching staffs though.

you cant pass up santana because of cano. he went 15-13 with a 3.33 ERA on a non-playoff team. and to all those whose say wait till he's a free agent. what if he signs with the team he's traded to. you think anyone is going to give the moon for a 1 year rental? how many aces are there in baseball? i know the yankees dont have one and sure could use one after seeing wang in the playoffs. cano, hughes or kennedy, and a 2nd tier pitching prospect is a small price for a once in a lifetime pitcher.

oh and batting titles, mvp awards, and cy youngs dont win the world series.

I say "Hell Yes" to the "Hell no" comments. If this is truly a transition year as Hank is saying, why should they trade their future for one guy? As others have said, they should just sign him as a free agent next year. Besides, they have their own hard-throwing future ace types in Hughes and Joba. Sure, they're not lefties like Santana but they are future All Stars.

The Twins are trying to rid of Johan now THEY MAY NOT BE A NEXT year. You have to make the trade of Cano and a horne , orleolff , type trade , if you can excuse cano for melk then do it if sanchez is up too par then he would replace Russ in the pen

future ace types? are you telling me after 1/2 a season each, hughes and chamberlain are future aces. santana is proven over the course of 5 years. he's still only 28. i would trade hughes or kennedy and cano in a heartbeat. and thats very true. this may be your only chance.

Casual Observer
1-Ellsbury is NOT a five tool player.
2-Buchholz has pitched a total of 22 innings in the big leagues.
3-Sox pitching is old.
Sully is right if the Twins are foolish enough to make that trade you don't even blink

I love Ellsbury for his clutch play and big World series hits.

I love Buccholz for the no hitter that came when the Sox needed a pick me up.

If that's all it took to get Santana, then I wish them luck in Minnesota!

What The Hell why would you even think of trading robinson cano? i would rather give up phil hughes ian kennedy and melky cabrera for santana but leave cano and joba alone i guarantee they both become hall of famers

if you ask me the yanks should trade melky,hughes,and ollendorf for santana.then sign andruw jones or tori hunter and then look at this line-up

1.Johnny Damon LF
2.Derek Jeter SS
3.Bobby Abreu RF
4.Alex Rodriguez 3B
5.Andruw Jones/Tori Hunter CF
6.Hideki Matsui DH
7.Robinson Cano 2B
8.Jorge Posada C
9.Shelley Duncan 1B

and the rotation

1.Santana
2.Wang
3.Pettite
4.Kennedy
5.Mussina
Then You Can Keep Joba In The Pen To Set Up For Mo and Give Him Less Of A Workload