One area that's been on the Yankees' radar if they do make a trade is the bullpen. Given some of the struggles of their relievers, it's a spot they could stand to upgrade. Whether they do or not, we'll see over the next 7 1/2 days.
Among the relievers they already have, Luis Vizcaino has become indispensable. In 27 games and 27 1/3 innings since May 28th, he has a 0.99 ERA (three earned runs allowed). And this month, in 14 1/3 innings pitched, he has given up eight hits and three walks, while striking out 15. That's pretty remarkable.
What trade, if any, do you think the Yankees need to make before July 31st. GM Brian Cashman and other front office people are gathering in Tampa now to discuss things.
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Trades, to me, depend on the price.
The Yankee middle relief isn't good - but it's serviceable. And if they can't make a trade for some more good arms (of which there are not many available) the Yankees do have a bunch of guys that they can try (Chamberlain, Ramirez)
The bench could use some depth but I don't think there are any drastic moves that need to be made. I read in one of the columns an AL Scout said that the biggest impact player someone's going to get at the deadline will be the Yankees getting back Phil Hughes. That's enough for me.
I know lots of people want Tiexiera - but my feeling is that he's not worth the price. The Yankees have enough bats that they don't need his.
The only move I can think of is prying away one of these Closers from these Lesser teams and inserting him into setup , but Jose V ahs been pitching well lately. glad I'm not a GM right Now
Players I would like to see the Yankees get ...
Joe Kennedy
Catalannato (spelling!)
Gregg on the Marlins
Colby Rasmus (Cardinals ml)
Troy Percival
Jeremy Sowers
Toby Hall (if Molinas hurt)
Texiera
Gagne
Anyone from China
Anyone from Namibia
Players who can be traded or released ...
Nieves (very good person!)
Giambi (if not well)
Meyers
Farnsworth
Cairo
Players who can be sent to Okinawa ... or the bullpen (no sepuku, John G., please ... you'd have to be Samurai and these two sure ain't that!)
Igawa
Mussina
Players who have improved very much of late ...
Cano
Abreu
Viz.
Pitchers whom we have stacked up ... choose any four and trade the rest if you must ...
Howard Hughes
Joba the Hutt
Ian (Does Rose) Kennedy (own a black dress?)
Horne of Africa
Chase(d) Wright
Tyler My Space Clippard
Smith
Sanchez (elbow room!)
Ohlendorf
Brackman (Turner Overdrive)
(Karen) Carpenter
By the way Bronx Bomber, when Mussina was at Stanford he told the story of his knuckle curve.
He was in high school in the State Championship Game (I think, or just some big game in Pennsylvania where he's from) and he threw it and the pitch went through the catcher's legs cause it broke so much ... and they lost (and or a run scored) ... And that's when he saw how good the pitch could be.
Isn't that a great story?!
I just love that story!
It's a Stanford story ...
Awe!
Go Yankees!
It's tough. I would rather the Yankees go after another starter and move DeSalvo or Hughes to the pen. It's also important that they get someone like Wiggington as a security blanket should A-Rod opt out. I don't want Tiexiera on the team. He's way over-priced and Andy Phillips has been holding his own over there now. If Phillips can't cut it, they can always spend the off-season working on the 1B position. The Yanks have plenty of options there now though.
Also get please ...
Josh Hamilton
Ken G. Jr.
Trade Kennedy for YOUNG stud reliever Cordero. Try to sign Zambrano in the off season.
JT - Why trade Kennedy for Cordero? Cordero has had moderate success closing for a team that is not expected to do a bloody thing (Nationals) If the Yankees want to trade for a reliever I say they should trade for one who has, at the very least, pitched in some big games.
And yes, they should absolutely try and sign Big Z this winter.
Yes do get Wigs. I said to get Wiggy for a few weeks now. No one listens!
But if we have Tex, we put Phillips and Duncs on the bench and rotate them through the lineup and the bench ...
Viper does not think very much of Phillips but I do. He's over .300 and coming into his own ... is he overexposed yet? I don't know. Pitch selection, heart, drive, bat speed ... we know he cares for his wife and mom when they are sick and injured, instead of abandoning them (Bonds, A Rod) so he is a good person. We need that desperately!
Look ... weeeee here we go everyone's rotating ... Phillips, Duncan, Tex, Melky, Wiggy ... isn't it fun?
As someone said by getting Tex we can strengthen the bench too ...
Maybe Giambi can come back and hit ...
One thing of concern. He has tattoos and half of all Hep (B or C I think) cases are tattoo and needle related. Liver cancer is very horrible. (I've seen someone I cared for to the very end die from that) ... so that factor along with the steroids is a health concern. I hope the best for Jason though.
Remember when he signed with the Yanks?
If you check the records, on that very day at the top of the page was the story and photo of his parents, Jason and the Yank brass ... and at the bottom of Newsday on the SAME PAGE was the story his brother being arrested for drugs in Lost Wages ...
Was it an omen?
But we are not our mistakes, hey?
Like they said in Friday Night Lights, "There are no curses."
Go Jason!
Go Yankees!
Tim,
Ouch, Tex has been supplanted by career minor leaguer Phillips?
Big Z vs Jorge Posada
Jason Giambi to Oakland for Huston Street.
First, because it would be great to unload Giambi and second because nobody in New York would pronounce "Huston Street" correctly.
Hey, Andy Phillips is a decent backup, but he's not a starter and not the long term answer for this team.
He's also been a career .230 hitter in 145 games before his recent call-up.
That said, he should be starting at 1B for the time being because they don't have a better option right now.
We can tug at the heart strings and all that with Phillips because of his family life and good for him that he's doing so well after that hell he went through.
However, like Wil Nieves, complimenting him on his "great guy" status doesn't translate to winning ballgames.
A team of 25 "great guys" or emotional stories don't mean jack to me if they can't play baseball or help this team win.
I like Wigginton, but no way I give up a reliever,(Proctor\Farns) or a minor league starter, for a "part-time" player. If that's what Tampa wants, we will just have to continue to use Cairo in that role. Our pitching is good, and will improve with the Hughes\Igawa switch. The key to this team is the 3 slot in the batting order. When it's producing, we score enough to win consistently. That's why getting TEX is crucial now, and also in "08" when A-OPT is gone. From what I've read, it looks like the Rocks will eventually get Farns off our hands. The negotiations appear to be "hung up" on how much salary the Yanks will "eat". Money is never a "deal breaker" with the Yankees. Farns will be gone be the 31st.
That Giambi trade talk is just silly.
There is no chance he is going anywhere.
Why would any team trade for a severe health risk and a guy making $20M with a full no-trade clause?
The odds Jessica Alba giving birth to my love child is far better than the Yanks trading Giambi.
Viper,
How is Jessica these days?
I'm certainly not saying that I think Tex needs to be displaced by Phillips, but 1B is not the biggest weakness on this team right now. I'd much rather see the team go after pitching than yet another 1B.
I'd also love to see Giambi traded for Street, but I don't see him going anywhere. Too bad we can't ship his ass off to Anaheim.
If, I were Brian Cashman. I would have a check list of things to do. Backup catcher...done. Proctor for Ty Wiggington... Wigginton needs to play everyday or about 4 times a week or timing issues pop up and you have a bad trade. Can Andy Phillips play second and third along with firstbase. Yes he can then I don't give up Proctor for Wigginton. Can I move Damon... Who's buying and what's his value. Can I move Abreu... Why, he's hot and cold but his low point is .269. I 'd stay with him. I need to improve my pitching especially middle relief... who's available... who do I want to trade. Farnsworth is a good possibilty can I get someone who can put it over the plate then I do it. Do I want Tex...Yes. If he's affordable in talent or Texas runs scared...I'd wait to the bitter end. This may help in keeping Arod cemented at 3rd base. The trade chips in our bullpen are Bruney, Meyers and Farnsworth with Mussina a possibilty if his contract allows it. But this team can win as built with the changing of our starting pitching and the bullpen having an upside 2nd half.
I don't have to do much just improve slightly on the bench and more consistent pitching.
Ed,
Good one!
Viper,
I hear you baby ... I was just saying it was nice how Cashman handled Wil's departure and Torre too ... on an "up" note.
It was classy.
Nieves wished Molina well and that showed what a great kid he is. I was so, so impressed with that.
Phillips is special. Phelps' bro works in the Burn Unit for soldiers in the Brooke Army Hospital in San Antonio. (In 2003 we send a ton of Xmas presents to the soldiers in the Burn Unit, we were in Belize at that time).
The good stories are important.
We don't have 25 mushy feel good guys.
Instead we've endured drunks, rapists, male whores, Standing O for Lilly nearly killing poor Scotty Spezio with a beanball, A Rod's wife's F-bomb tank top in front of small children, drug, gambling and sex addicts and ...
Now, meddling in China by/with the Yankee brand/logo in spite of China's slave labor laogai, forced abortion and sterilization and horrific human rights record ... At times the team (like America in general) has no shame, no pride and no conscience.
So we take what little good we can from the Yankees decent players. (Mo, Jorge and others like Phillips, Phelps -- who is gone now -- and Wil -- who is also gone).
If that's ok with you?
Without that, there's nothing left to do, in the words of Depeche Mode except to "Sit back and enjoy the silence."
The Yankees should keep all their chips. This is one of the worst trade deadline season ever. There is nothing out there. If we are talking about aces, why not develop our own ie Hughes, Joba. If we are looking for bullpen, give the kids a chance like Ramirez. Dont send them down after a couple of bad starts live with the rough starts and see how they can handle themselves. I hate see Igawa pitching. Yanks need to patient with the young kids dont give up on them so early. Could ruin their confidence by giving them the quick hook of 1 or 2 straight bad starts.
Ken,
You don't want to sacrifice the future for overpriced aging talent?
THAT'S CRAZY TALK!
Nothing wrong with good stories and good people -- but if they don't help the Yanks win ballgames, I don't really care that much.
I’m not going to get into the political stuff because this isn’t the forum for that.
Hey, there have been bad apples throughout baseball since the sport was created and it has survived just fine. Ty Cobb was one of the all-time worst, but he’s still one of the greatest players ever.
Two of the most notorious man-whores of all time were both beloved Yankees -- Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle.
Why do we care about their infidelities outside the ballpark?
I’m not morally superior to A-Rod either, so I don’t care what he does with so-called “mistresses.” The only thing I care about is what A-Rod does on the field.
That’s it.
The truth of the matter is this -- pro athletes have always behaved that way. The difference is that we have a media that reports everything these days that they didn’t report in the old days.
I respect all the “good guys” in MLB and I agree that there aren’t enough of them. However, I don’t want them taking up space on the Yanks’ roster if they can’t help the team win.
The Yanks are in the business of winning games and that’s the bottom line.
Lucy,
Thanks for the super wonderful critique ... I will edit both the St. Louis and the Field of Dreams stories and put in all of the changes ...
We can get much more from any criticism than via false praise. All would-be good or even great writers must stay humble and always try to get better!
I've published almost 300 articles but I always wonder if I can do the next one. It's like baseball, you do it with fear and arrogance, or so says Crash Davis.
Bless you and yours Lucy.
You are truly Uber!
And Go Yankees!
Vamos Los Yankees!
Bonzai Igawa and Gecko-Godzilla!
Genki-deska!
Viper, (Michael Ironside's call sign in Top Gun was Viper)
It is all good. I enjoy the back and forth.
King Solomon said "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another."
You and many of the other posters show me different perspectives on life and baseball and I need that.
It's like a giant, multi- dimensional jigsaw puzzle ... and all the pieces of everyone's reality fit together.
I hope you are well today.
Ant
How can anyone really know who is a good guy or not in baseball?
Who looked like a better guy than Kirby Puckett? And that turned out to be not the case.
Root for your team.
Each team has cheaters, scoundrels and steroid users.
Cheer for a win.
Viper,
Giambi would be a fantasy trade. Nobody would want him, sure, but it's great to dream.
As far as Andy Phillips. The guy is hitting .300. Flawless defense. He has the potential to be for the Yankees what Scott Brosius was at third base during the late '90s, even if his average drops a little.
Ya don't need an All Star at every base. You do need guys who can play on a team.
I'd take Andy Phillips over Giambi every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Odd as this may sound, this is a big game tonight.
Wang vs. Elarton looks like an easy win for the Yankees and truth be told it probably will be.
But the next game is Mussina vs. Meche, which by the way Moose has been pitching is advantage KC.
And Igawa is pitching the last game... and you don't need to be Michael Kay to know that might be ugly.
A win tonight, then all you need is 1 of 2 to win the series.
A loss... well, you see where I am going with this.
I love how people talk about how the Royals are improving. And yes they did beat my boys and the Tigers, the two best teams in baseball, recently.
But even the 1962 Mets won some games. The Royals have improved from "the most embarassing team in baseball" to "a bad team."
On another topic, I'm kind of curious if the NBA ref gambling fiasco will get people to stop calling for MLB to get over Pete Rose's gambling on baseball and let him in the Hall of Fame.
My belief is, and has always been, that Rose accepted a lifetime ban from baseball and therefor should only be considered for the Hall after his death.
Ed,
Not asking for an All-Star at every position -- just someone who can be the long-term answer.
Phillips isn't it.
A hot streak for 20 games doesn't mean the guy can play over the long haul.
I would also take Phillips over Giambi on the defensive side -- but you're drinking too much Yankee kid koolaid if you think he remotely compares with Giambi on the offensive side.
I think the best we are going to be able to do is David Weathers. I don't know if he is any better than what we have now.
Hughes, Joba, and Tabata for Texieria and Gagne.
If the Yankees have to, throw in Kennedy, too.
Texieria is *the* perfect fit in the lineup and fills a massive hole. He would thrive here. Gagne is an elite closer and gives them another late inning weapon.
Yankees make this move, they might as well give the Yankees a championship now.
Viper
My feeling on 1b is that with everyone else in the lineup hitting we can afford to have Phillips (or Doug M.) at first base for the season. I said at the start of the year that if this season comes down to how well Doug M. or Josh Phelps (at the time) hit, then something else has gone terribly wrong for this team.
Tex is not needed this season, and due to his contract he is not someone who should be looked at as a long term solution because he can walk away in just over a year.
All,
Bottom line if the price for Texiera is too high don't make any move before the deadline.
Also if there is a God, Giambi will never set foot in Yankees stadium again. We can't trade him too fat, slow , and old - then add in his contract?
Philips is not the answer, he will start to suck again real soon.
Sammy Davis Jr.,
You were a great singer, a good actor and a heckuva guy - but oh lord no on that trade.
Ed, I like your trade idea. I have a few others:
DeSalvo and Myers to Minnesota for Johan Santana.
Phillips and Nieves to St. Louis for Albert Pujols.
Melky Cabrera and Farnsworth to Anaheim for Francisco Rodriguez.
I really think that would put us over the top. What do you think Ed?
Sammy Davis,
Only one little problem with your trade - ARE YOU FRIGGIN NUTS?!?!?!?! Give up Hughes (perennially untouchable), Joba, Tabata, AND Kennedy?!
Only way that's happening is if pigs fly, hell freezes over, the sky turns green, and Georie gets taken over by aliens
Wait a seccond...
I may not be a fan of Phillips for the long term, but that doesn't mean I want them to get Teixeira now.
I've already said repeatedly that Phillips is fine for now because he has outplayed everyone thus far.
However, he's not the long-term answer and the Yanks need a stop gap at some point for 2008.
Truthfully, the Yanks need to stack the rotation and fill gaps with solid guys that can play defense.
Pitching is the name of the game.
What do Jim Leyritz, an aging Tim Raines, a post and pre rehab Darryl Strawberry, Charlie Hayes, Luis Sojo, Mariano Duncan, Chad Curtis, Ricky Ledee, Shane Spencer, Glenallen Hill, Luis Polonia, and Jose Vizcaino all have in common?
They were all starting players for World Series Champion Yankee teams.
And off the top of my head, I remember them all getting a big hit here and there in the post season.
No need for a big name at every position. With a deeper pitching staff Andy Phillips could be a capable firstbaseman on a playoff team.
Don't believe me?
Look at the top list again and remind me which one was an All Star with the Yankees
How about this for a trade:
ChiSox get Tyler Clippard, Eric Duncan, Jeff Marquez
Astros get Jon Garland, Kyle Farnsworth and cash from NYY
Yankees get Brad Lidge, Alex Cintron
i think a problem all year has been the lack of more RH hitting in the lineup. If they (NYY) can get Texiera for less than Kennedy / Joba its a must.
why not turn around Sanchez & Olendorf for him...second tier guys
sounds good there Chip,
i think a problem all year has been the lack of more RH hitting in the lineup. If they (NYY) can get Texiera for less than Kennedy / Joba its a must.
why not turn around Sanchez & Olendorf for him...second tier guys
i think a problem all year has been the lack of more RH hitting in the lineup. If they (NYY) can get Texiera for less than Kennedy / Joba its a must.
why not turn around Sanchez & Olendorf for him...second tier guys
Eric -
Sanchez is out for the year with TJ surgery and when he comes back the good money says he's as good as Chamberlain
Sully,
I totally agree. I see Phillips as a Broscois type
player,good defense and timely hitting. We have enough high priced all-stars.Go back to what worked before. A good mix.
Chip,
I like that proposal,but I
dont think they would take
Duncan.
Youthful Investments is a Must or your going to go through the same crap next season with a slow start.
Yes the team is on a roll but we must understand the OBVIOUS handicapps already affecting this team
I'm willing to swap in Omir Santos, Alberto Gonzalez or another pitcher (Steve White) for Duncan
SAMMY DAVIS Jr.-
Frank & Dean need to "put you down" for the remainder of the day. You've obviously had too much to drink once again.
Hey Sammy:
It's my voice they hear after each Game. Your Embarrasing Me with your trade demands.
clean your eye
Hey Sammy,
I would make that trade too but I still think you need to throw in Jeter, AROD and Cano. That way I wouldn't feel so bad taking advantage of the Rangers.
And by the way, we should pay all of their salaries to!
SAMMY MY MAN-
Whatever your drinking, gimme sum.
I just read on SI.com that the John Garland deal would probably be a three team deal but they did not name the players that could be involved. Thanks.
Yo Sammy-
You should be thrown in jail for proposing that trade.
Concentrating on Andy Phillips, the only non All Star in the starting lineup is crazy. We need to sure up our pitching however Cashman can do it. This should be his only priority. If, Texas is so desperate to get rid of Tex. calls us when you're ready to deal beause they know the Yankees are willing to go the extra step within paremeters.
In my book Andy Phillips will do an excellent job fielding at firstbase as shown by his ability to scoop up errant throws. His ability to hit .275/.300 is more than adequate. Can you picture Giambi playing firstbase in an NL park trying to make the throw to second on the double play. Oh! lets hope he gets on one knee and stops the grounder first. Yeah, we miss the HR but pitching lessens the need for the bigger bat in the lineup. Pitching and defense are the needs.
Larry M
We always hear about how great his OBP is with all his walks, but all he does is "clog" the bases.
Sully,
Thats a smoke screen argument. All those guys where on a team that had Jeter, O'Neill, Tino, Posada, Cone, Boggs, Pettitte, Rivera, Nelson, Bernie etc etc etc. All teams have bench players contribute when they win a championship. It doesn't mean thay are the reason they won a championship.
Al Weiss had some big hits for the 69 Mets. Was he the heart and sole of the team?
Larry M,
Phillips looked pretty bad on the Farnsworth throw the other day. Barely made a move on it. But Im just picking now.
It is my theory that we could win with Andy Phillips but if you can upgrade at a position without losing to much then you have to do it. If there is nobody out there better, then so be it. The only thing we definitely have to get is better middle relief. If we can also upgrade at first base then that is an added bonus.
Mike,
Your right you could win with Phillips....if Abreu, Cano, Melky and Damon start to perform consistently which they haven't. Since there are no options to improve at those positions and if Tex is available to improve at that position, do it! No brainer.
I will go as far as to say there isn't a player on this roster I wouldn't trade even up for Tex.
Nudge,
I understand but would you lose the "farm" for him?
Mike,
The farm is a bunch of guys with potential. As someone once said....potential means you haven't done it yet!
From Texas' point of view, there is no single guy the Yanks could offer me for Tex. You need a package.
That is true but who's to say if Tex will resign with the Yanks at the end of his current contract. I would hate to give up a possible future number 2-3 starter for one and a half years of service from Tex.
I guess you missed the joke on the Huston Street thing.
As far as your trade ideas: Those are the sort of proposals other teams have been making to the Yankees for years. "Give us your top 5 prospects, we'll give you our aging, slow, injury prone, cranky, down-side of his career player."
And, by the way, I wouldn't trade Melky anywhere for anyone. Period.
Michael,
I rally like Melky and he is an above average fielder but I would trade him in a second for an upgrade. I don't think his plate discipline or power will ever get that much better.
A 27 YO proven player is not.....aging, slow, injury prone, cranky, down-side of his career player....he is a proven future, just entering the prime years of his production.
Do you think the Yankees will pursue him if he is a FA after 2008? If so then why not now?
Moose
I would be the first to acknowledge that Mussina has not been good this year, but if you look at his previous seven starts before his awful start against TB, they were all in the range of solid to "kept us in the game"... and he lowered his ERA a run and a half in that stretch, giving up 3 Earned Runs or less in all 7 starts.
Certainly, it bothers me that his two starts against Boston have been bad... and he certainly does not inspire enormous amounts of confidence right now... but it isn't quite as if having him as a 4th starter is a glaring weak spot.
Besides maybe one or two teams, and throwing aside how much money Moose makes, most teams would be more than happy to have Mike Mussina be their 4th best pitcher. The notion that dumping Moose makes us a better team is in my opinion an erroneous one.
Oh and Texeira is 3 years youger than Andy Phillips.
Nudge,
Do you understand my trepidations with the deal? It is possible that down the road with Hughes, Chamberlain and Kennedy we could have the next Hudson, Mulder and Zito. This would be a major gamble to trade away either of them or maybe even 2.
The Yanks should not give up any of there top pitching prospects.
With the age of Mussina, Pettitte, and Clemens we are going to need as many shots at getting one or two super stud pitchers as we can get for the future.
Texiera would be a great upgrade at 1st base but then what do we do with Dougie, Andy, and most importantly...Giambi
We also have Damon who cant seem to stay healthy playing CF and Shelley Duncan who can not play to many positions other than 1B or DH.
Texieria just does not make sense right now.
Going after Garland would make more sense. For a package with Farnsworth or Proctor and some mid level minor leaguers.
Mike,
"The next Hudson, Mulder, and Zito"? And exactly how many chapionships did they win? Also it would be a good idea to do a "where are they now?" on those 3.
Nudge,
I agree trading some prospects with "potential" for a proven and YOUNG all-star quality player is a no-brainer
I think all this talk is moot. Cash is just not going to give up any of these prized prospects. I think we will get a guy like Wiggy for depth.
Nudge: good retention of Phillips plays that have been highlighted of late. Yeah! he looked like a tripod on that throw but Farnsworth was as accurate as he usually is to the plate with 5 feet left or right of the target. The ironic aspect of that play was Girardi saying there was no need to throw over with two outs and the possibilty of an error. The next move Farnsworthless does is throw over past Phillips. I'm sure Phillips would have dove for it if it were reasonable to catch.
Hey Guys, I would accept a trade of Tex.if its reasonable. Phillips is no Tex. and Giambi can do one thing that Phillips can't and if Giambi's HR frequency is 15 AB's or so. One HR every 3 games is not what I'm looking for from the 1st baseman with the other supporting cast. I take Phillips in the absence of Tex. and be quite content that he'll improve his power numbers.
this team is in rebuild mode if you can get a young stud , Good but you need not to get rid of 3 Studs for one. Moose CLemens , Pettite is on their last legs SO replacing them is a PRIORITY. If that means a garland By trade then go full steam for a Top line Starter (FA , Trade etc. ) and some OF help then that works out well and if all that happens and yhou still Have chips then you trade for Tex. yo ucannot trade for Tex with a depleted Staff and hope he stays especially if the team has a losing season. he would want to come if the team has a promising future .
AROD stance should determine the need for Tex.
The Yankees have 3 contracts to Deal with at seasons end
Larry M - You cannot have a HR or bust player occupying 3 quarters of your lineup a number 9 hitter is one that can sac the runner over hit that clutch hit etc. the versatility of Phillips exceeds that of Giambi . plus Giambi's injury ratio is not dependable on this squad. Give me a consistant hitter rather than a streaky power hitter. Money Needs to be saved and the majority of Fans on here is reverting back to the downfall years that created this mess.
Dave,
it really tries my patience when Yankee fans talk of "saving money" - what part of "The Yankees are the most valuable franchise in American sports", don't you all understand? If the Yankees have a $400M payroll - I don't care as long as we get rings out of it. Cashman tried to save money this season and look at the standings - real good job, huh?
The payroll was consistently over $200M during the 90's and we won 4 TIMES!!!
As for trading "3 studs" for one? How do you know they will be studs? There is a reason they are called prospects, right?