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So if I understand Newsday's position, when the government enforces those silly little burdensome laws about identity theft and the fraudulent use of someone elses Social Security # they are being mean spirited? Please show me the area of the constitution that says that a person has to be educated enough or sophisticated enough to understand the elements of the crime they are being charged with. It apparently is of no concern that each and every one of the defendants in this case were afforded FREE legal representation and the use of an interpreter to avail themselves of that free legal representations. The claim that they didn't know what they were doing was wrong is without merit. Besides that, ignorance of the law is NO defense. The criminals in question knew very well that they had no right to use a fraudulently obtained social security number and name and they did it anyhow. That pretty much ends the discussion right there. So I guess by your assertions that the Government after arresting someone shouldn't offer them a plea bargain either or that it apparently is of no concern of yours that the defendants FREE appointed counsel recommended that their clients take the plea offered. There is a simple way not to run afoul of the US legal system..... Don't break the law. Regardless if you think that law is silly, mean spirited or unnecessary.

I fail to see what was wrong with these proceedings. Nowhere in this editorial does Newsday even suggest that any of the defendents were innocent of the charges. It seems that they received justice, swift justice (a rarity nowadays). Maybe Newsday is upset that these illegal aliens did not have an opportunity to game the system.

R U Kidding good points; the employer knew damn well what was going on they should be dragged in the makeshift courts also. I have neither sympathy nor pity for people that come into my country illegally and expect me to cater to their needs. Mind you I do understand why they come here; I would do the same, LEGALLY. That is what pissing off the taxpayers of this country they come Illegally into the U.S., get just about everything free from my government and if they get the pot of gold, (Anchor Baby) they are guaranteed to be set for the next 18 years of free goodies from my government, not to mention free representation from some open border\bleeding heart liberal. There is one catch that is catching one pretty quick and hard; THE LEGAL TAXPAYERS OF THIS NATION ARE GETTING REALLY PISSED OFF!!!!! Soon heads are going to roll.

I always say this and never get a response back but I say for all those that want illegal immigrants here should have their taxes raised 50% to support them. This should weed all the hypocrite pro-illegals out once and for all. This includes Newsday. Newsday loves illegals so much, make they pay for their social services and give the American taxpayer a break for once.

Newsday wants the government to stop harassing the illegal alien, It should never stop trying to get these invaders out of the country! They came here knowing they broke the law now they want due process! The balls! The bleeding heart liberals think" oh, its just one more poor person we can help" No, it's not! It is an invasion just as if they came over the border with tanks and guns! I have no sympathy for this scum! Legal immigrants are what made this country great, We welcome immigration, not an invasion!

Last I checked, American cititizens were prosecuted for stealing anything that belonged to someone else and fraud, so I don't have any sympathy for these people.

Maybe Snoozeday is upset because they will be losing some of their valued staff (delivery people, etc.) as a result of the crackdowns.

Newsday is unbelievable with their completely BIASED slant on ILLEGAL immigration. They try to make it seem as if the victims here are the ILLEGALS that couldn't understand English (yet another reason for a national LANGUAGE here). It is about time we are starting to kick these tax-sucking illegal immigrants out.

I agree with someones post above, those in favore of ILLEGAL immigration should be TAXED Higher. I have said the very same thing....sign up for that tax and you can have them live/sponge off of you. I don't care how many people come on here and try to claim they pay their fair share of taxes, it is impossible that they do. They also receive move social benefits once they KNOWINGLY drop an anchor baby through a misinterpreted ammendment in our constitution. YES, they know they are working that loophole, many swim across the river as they are about to give birth or cross at that time, is that a coincidence?

Do they not know when they entered this country, a soveriegn nation, without showing ID/being processed that they were breaking the law? Do they not know day in and day out that they either possess fake ID, work off the books and break laws every day that any LEGAL citizen would have been thrown in jail for long ago.

It will get worse with any of the next 2 knuckleheads running for office, McCain who sponsors AMNESTY legislation to the estimated, and no one knows, 13-23 MILLION people who abuse our laws, murder/rape/kill US citizens, bring in drugs etc etc. Do some work hard? YES, but that is NOT reason enough to come into our country illegally.

NEWSDAY has never been a fair/balanced news source...which is probably why their readership goes down and down and down. We are all sick of reading the editorials about the 'poor illegal alien' who didn't know he was doing something wrong. How about a story about the LEGAL tax-paying citizen that is tapped out with their taxes that support these ILLEGALS, how about a story about the hundreds of murders/rapes/killings that go on monthly by ILLEGAL aliens. How about a story about the southern border with daily incursions of drug cartels with bloodshed and fighting. How about a story about the two border patrol agents in in jail STILL because our own GOVT took the word of a KNOWN DRUG DEALER over our very own BORDER PATROL. How about a story about the real cost of the illegals on the tax-paying public. How about a story about the racist group called 'La Raza' which translated means 'THE RACE' who actualy want the American southwest back in the control of Mexico, and this same group gets US GOVT MONEY as they are a not-for-profit entity.

NEWSDAY, ENOUGH...we are tired of your one-sided view that the majority of those on LONG ISLAND and the country DON'T believe for a second

Newsday never shows any concern for the rights of men when with regard to abusive divorce and alimony laws. Newsday publishes pictures of people arrested, but not convicted, of drunk driving in violation of their rights. Newsday publishes names of sex offenders who have served their time in jail already but are considered criminals for life. Yet, if a criminal alien is deported, Newsday screams about their civil rights. Why do illegal aliens deserve better treatment than US Citizens?

Those trials were a travesty of justice. Every human being deserves a fair chance in court no matter what crime they are accused of, even the crime of working for low wages. The rest of the comments above are from people who simply don't like to see that the complexion of the US is changing.

They understood what a PHONEY S.S. # was when they used it , they know damm well they are breaking the law when they are here ! And now you want to say we are criminiaizing fraud and document theift and illegal entry ? How dare we !!! Now we need to do this to the rest of the people Illegaly in this country ! Enough is enough . Gee I don't think I'll pay any Income Tax this year , after all it only breaks the law but it doesn't hurt anyone !! Do Not be fooled , these people KNOW what they are doing ! This newspaper and the Senators and Congressmen who support these criminial Illegal Aliens MUST GO !

Newsday, with 99% of the mass media, is a big advocate of illegal immigration. So of course it is against any effective form of immigration law enforcement. Their goal is to have the deportation process be so complex, expensive, and time consuming that not one in 10,000 illegals ever gets deported.

I have the very dangerous gang MS-13 operating in my town. This is a direct consequence of my government's failure to enforce immigration law, at the behest of their media masters. Thanks a lot, Newsday.

And if using phony social security numbers isn't a problem, then will the writer of this editorial please post his social security number, so we can use it however we like?

The only "communities" being "shaken up" are those consisting of illegal immigrants. I wish to God that our government would shake them up.

All I wanna know is when are thy going to come to Huntington Station to conduct one of these roundups.

We are long overdue for it.

How can Newsday justify people coming here illegally? Are
their staff educated and do they understand the rule of law? Do
they think weak excuses like ignorance give an illegal the right to
work and not pay taxes but possibly obtain free benefits off the backs of communities? When will people at this paper start to THINK? Does America have to turn into Calcutta before the
staff at Newsday wake up?

I don't see newsday complaining about the MASSIVE violations of human rights and constitutional rights violated right under their noses by the opressive "family"courts.

Newsday never shows any concern for the rights of men and children with regard to the abusive divorce and alimony laws known as the divorce industry racket.

No wonder your circulation is sinking like the Titanic.I hope the internet puts you of of business.

"Long Island Mom" like the biased media want to pull the 'race' card. It has NOTHING to do with the complexion of the US changing. I have hispanic friends, I have LEGAL hispanic tenant and by legal I mean her and the apt. I've dated hispanic people. So, get off your usual race card. These people had a trial, QUICK with legal represenation and interpreters paid for by GUESS WHO? We pay for EVERYTHING for these people and you want to bury your head in the sand and say the deserve a fair trial. What is a fair trial to you? one with 2 lawyers and 200k spent on both sides? They had represenation, they had interpreters, they KNOW they were here illegally, they had to have known if they were here illegally that ANY ss# they had was either fake or stolen, they had to have other fake ID...shall we go on?

How bout this Long Island Mom, we double YOUR TAXES and you support them? I'm tired of 50% of my taxes going to pay for, among other wasteful spending, ILLEGAL aliens that should not be here. I don't care what country they are from, it could be someone from Italy which is where my grandparents came from LEGALLY, but guess what, if they were not legal, GO HOME.

Do you detect some frustration and anger in my typing? Yes, because there is a segment of the population that thinks we need to give these people amnesty without securing our borders, there are people that think that if they scream "RACE" the majority of Americans will back down, but we won't, we are tired of NEWSDAY and every other media outlet with their one-sided biased point of view that makes these illegals to be some poor sob story.

Also, their crime was not, as you put it, working for LOW WAGES, it was for other charges including stolen/fake ss# and ID. I will agree with you on ONE thing and that is the EMPLOYER should be tossed in jail and charged with the laws they have broken.

With your mentality, Long Island Mom, we should allow them in, illegally, then pay for their trial/interpreters when they are caught and/or break laws, then either pay to keep them in jail and/or deport them. How bought we send the bill to you and your pro-illegal advocates so the majority of us don't have to deal with it?

It cost 36 BILLION dolllars a year in the US to educate, incarcerate and give healthcare (through our ERs) to ILLEGAL aliens. That does not include other social services which the
y certainly tap into because they honestly think it is FREE.

YOU PAY LONG ISLAND MOM, we have HAD IT. SO KEEP YOUR race card where it belongs, in your back pocket to throw another day at some other issues that has NOTHING to do about race.

http://www.anamericanfrontporch.com/2008/04/illegal-immigration-taxes-and.html

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To all haters above:
If the illegals were caught with fake social security cards, guess what? they were paying taxes.Also, because the cards are fake, guess, america still benefits, because they cant claim a tax return each year and the government keep the taxes deducted from the fake social security numbers.
So haters, the illegals are giving to a america as well as america is giving to some of them. I used to be an illegal with a fake social too, so i know what is like to work for years have tax taken out that you can never claim.
So why dont you all go f*** yourselves.

Don't worry , I think Americans have had enough of the politicians that support Illegal Aliens . I believe as they do , they'll pay for it on election day ! I live on the east end and my Congressman is running to pretend we need to be tough on Illegal Aliens , however he has voted in favor of Amnesty and EVERYTHING else ! See you in Nov. !!

And another thing if yo dont like that we come here to do the jobs that you wont take then dont blame us! We are simple people looking for fun. We are people of the world and no one govt has the right to say we cant come here.

It is not a coincidence, that since this country first allowed Mexico to export it’s poverty, in the form of illegal workers, the real wages of the American worker has stagnated. Only a small segment of this country actually benefits from illegal immigration: the wealthy, everyone else pays dearly. To dismiss the legitimate concerns of the vast majority of the American people, is somewhat simplistic. To inject the tired label of Racism, is “the last refuge of a scoundrel “.

People have seen real wages go nowhere for thirty years, and to argue that American’s don’t want to do the jobs these illegal’s take is rubbish; we don’t want to do them at the wages these employer’s are able to offer because they can exploit illegal’s. It is truly economic supply and demand.

Many illegal’s work with fake papers, but many more work off the books, pay no taxes, and go to the ER for all medical needs. It’s the American taxpayer that is forced to foot the bill. This Government should go after the employer’s who hire illegal’s, first by warning’s , and then by hefty fines, and finally jail time.

Alas, our elected officials will do nothing; Republicans are in league with the Chamber of Commerce, and the business community, that want to exploit this cheap labor. Democrats believe these illegal’s when given amnesty, will become a voting block in their pocket. Not to mention the lawyers, and groups like “The Race” that want to reverse the outcome of the Mexican War. The poor middle class American worker has no lobbyist spreading money around with their best interest in mind. In short we are getting screwed.

We should leave Iraq and 're-deploy' to Mexico. We can effectuate 'regime change' and bring the American opportunity right to your own homes in Mexico.

As one poster pointed out, "We are people of the world and no one govt has the right to say we cant come here."

Yes. And so are we.

Let's move the border a few hundred miles south of where it is now. Mexico City would make a fine border town.

The 'high speed' treatment we need to give to these illegals is a high speed bus home. We are not allowed to simply walk into their countries and begin working and receiving the benefits of their health and welfare systems, why should they be allowed to do that here? Country's have a right to maintaining their borders and demographic profiles. They have a right to 'vet' prospective citizens for disease and criminal records before considering them for citizenship. Why do so many Americans insist that we don't have that right? Why don't Americans value their citizenship enough to feel it is worth protecting?
Have them pack their things and ship them home.

Dearest DEB (former illegal alien)

Why don't you do some research, our own govt does studies that clearly shows, with no question, that illegals get MORE out of the system financially than they put in. Take a look at California for further proof. 36 BILLION a year just to pay for education/incarceration and healthcare for ILLEGALS. THAT includes nothing else. What little MAY come from those who stole/use fake ID's does not come CLOSE to covering that. so who pays, THE TAXPAYER that when they interview those 'in the shadows' think we are all rich and should pay for them instead of maybe those south of the border fixing their own country.

So you stole/used someone's SS# or a fake one and paid money, you are not the majority, most work off the books paying ZERO taxes, while utilizing the hospital ER for free, dropping anchor babies, going on social assistance and living off the US tax-payer.

So then of course, you resort to the HATE/RACE card...it's tiresome. It seems you want to follow selective laws in our country.

We have immigration laws that alllow more LEGAL immigration than any other country on the face of the planet. But, of course to you and people like you, our laws need not be followed, unless of course we enforce them and we have to hear how the poor illegal alien is being deported, being seperated from their anchor baby.

Deb - how about following the laws? Perhaps people would have some respect for you, then again with the last line of language in your post you were not raised well.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Posted by Deb | July 27, 2008 13:50 To all haters above:
If the illegals were caught with fake social security cards, guess what? they were paying taxes.Also, because the cards are fake, guess, america still benefits, because they cant claim a tax return each year and the government keep the taxes deducted from the fake social security numbers.
So haters, the illegals are giving to a america as well as america is giving to some of them. I used to be an illegal with a fake social too, so i know what is like to work for years have tax taken out that you can never claim.
So why dont you all go f*** yourselves.

Thank God our government freed these poor individuals from the slave labor they have been forced into.

Is this what america has come to. Wow i am impress

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Joe, its not America - just a small group of people who have a lot of hate in their hearts. They think that the undocumented immigrant is draining public resources. Perhaps some do - but the majority do not. Most adult workers just want peace and an opportunity to make something of themselves. Yes, they loiter and at times can become a public nuisance but we get the same from rowdy sports fans who come drunk out of a stadium. You should hear some of the language on some of these "true fans". But lets not get out of the subject of this Newsday report. The big difference from the U.S. to any other country out there is that there are laws that are respected, and no one is above the law. Yes, some try and for a while they will succeed in their law braking - but every dog has its day. Now, the packing company is the one that hired these undocumented, they did not threatened to kill anyone by cutting and packing the meat a lot of these heaters eat on their barbecues. Probably half of their low priced discounted groceries come from a place that uses low wage undocumented immigrants. The report simply states that the laws that are used on this country were not followed or abused by not following proper procedure. It does not state that those charged were innocent - on the contrary - it states they knew they were guilty of being undocumented. Newsday was not trying to defend them - its just reporting on one more place where fear once again won.
Lets stop being so negative and be more positive. Think of ways to make solutions and avoid falling into fear. Fear is the true enemy - not an undocumented alien, for everyone is a descendant of an immigrant.
Remember, the more you fear the dumber you are.

i think what newsday and many other media outlets are trying to point out are that there are many undocumented immigrants living and working in american communites. this is a huge issue and being dealt with in extremes. we need to think rationally here.

immigrants are providing services american communties and no matter how much money is spent on enforcement or boarder security there will always be employers who hire undocumented people en masse because they need the labour. no amount of enforcement or punishment will stop this cycle.

we need to find ways to have these employed immigrants pay into the tax system and gain their documentation. We need to further integrate new immigrants into society by expanding english as a second language opportunities and having social services which teach new immigrant the laws so that they fully understand how to abide by them. in addition to enforcing the immigration and labor laws the federal government already has we need to look at expanding ways working immigrants can obtain legal residency or citizenship.

imprisionment is not the answer, that is truely a drain on resources. immigrants are living in and working in america, contributing to their communities and keeping areas like long island alive.

Examples of the advocates of open border policy championed by the Democrats and Newsday include "Deb" the illegal immigrant who advises the overwhelming majority of Americans who oppose illegal immigration to "go f--k yourselves" and who argues no government has the right to prevent her from crossing the border and Dave who uses the old liberal prop that those who disagree with the goal of universal citizenship are just a "small group of people with a lot of hate in their hearts.' Funny how progressives cry foul when their patriotism is impugned but have no compunction to label anyone with an opinion adverse to theirs to be motivated by hate/racism/sexism etc. The undeniable fact is the US takes in more legal immigrants than any other nation in the world. Studies show illegals burden our welfare system (schools, hospitals social benefits etc) and keep wages down. Illegals come to the US solely for employment and without any desire to become citizens otherwise they would have legally applied to immigrate rather than cheat those foreign applicants who properly seek admission.

wow, i wish they would come into drug infested neighborhoods like that. i know may immigrants who come here illegally and work their butts off. we have to go after people who are actually doing harm. we have terrorism in our own neighborhoods that we have to be worried about.

We think illegal aliens are draining funds? How about research the tons of reports and studies done by our own govt that prove they are a tax-burden.

It is a very black and white issue, it is legal versus illegal. If you want to come to this country legally and follow our immigration laws as millions have over the years, by all means, welcome. other than that, it is illegal and whether one thinks they are doing jobs "americans won't do" or "they have a right to work" it makes no difference.

We are also not a small %, we are the majority of Americans that feel this way.

Joe above, goes on and on about laws and how they should protect the illegal aliens. I agree in that they deserve to be treated humanely, as they are deported for breaking countless laws. Perhaps Joe can quote some laws on immigration, coming here legally, the punishment for aiding an illegal alien etc etc. those are on the books, lets re-visit those laws, then start enforcing those to the letter-of-the-law.

It is truly amazing that so many seemingly intelligent people cannot grasp the concept of respect for the law. They seem to be under the mistaken opinion that demanding respect and adherence to the law somehow rises to racism and hate.

Should I decide to help feed my family by selling drugs in front of your home I am certain you will not report me. To do so would be hateful, racist... and this, my friends, is America!

In your self righteous and selfish way, you reserve to yourself the right to decide which laws should be enforced and obeyed and which ones should be ignored.

I would suggest you are not that important, and not that wise to make such a determination. If you feel a law should be ignored and remain unenforced, then you must extend that right to every individual, even if the law THEY choose to violate is one you agree should be enforced.

Any other reaction to a violation of the law by anyone makes you a hipocrite.

Of course, we have not even explored the fact that supporting illegal immigration is similar to supporting slave labor. If you think paying someone $7 per day and forcing them to work in unsanitary and often dangerous conditions, with no where to turn for help is a campassionate act, then why do you not extend that same right to an American Citizen who agrees to work for the same compensation by demanding repeal of minimum wage laws?

Hey Joe ! Wake up , and Adam who stopped these SLAVES from leaving ?? How quick you forget these folks are criminials , Boo Hoo lets not apply any laws to them ! And long live long island - after you get your wish what are you going to do with the next twenty Million ???

This is what Deb posted:

And another thing if yo dont like that we come here to do the jobs that you wont take then dont blame us! We are simple people looking for fun. We are people of the world and no one govt has the right to say we cant come here.

It is not that you are doing the jobs that we Legal Taxpaying Citizens will not take it is that we will not take a job that the employer does ot want to pay a fair wage for.
You can toss out that La Raza talking point.
It is not that simple to stay in a country ILLEGALLY; so with that said you and they are not simple.
Looking for fun; if that is the case then what are you and they doing here working, you and they should be having fun and not WORKING ILLEGALLY.
Granted we are all living on this Blue Planet but there are laws that the people have set forth and must be obeyed and respected. We the People have the right to tell you and the rest of your ilk not to come here. Do not like it; okay go to Mexico ILLEGALLY, go to Austria ILLEGALLY, go to Saudi Arabia ILLEGALLY, go to Afghanistan ILLEGALLY, etc... get the picture? Shot holes in your talking point; just like the other countries that I have listed and others not mentioned; will do to you and the others that try to get into the other countries ILLEGALLY.

You are an anarchist; your kind will not survive in this world or any other world. There must be order; you do not like it, too bad. Now go pose naked with the rest of the wackos of PETA.

We have immigration laws that alllow more LEGAL immigration than any other country on the face of the planet.

Not true, Sweden is if you count population, and Condolessa Rice was asked why US don't take care of more middleesternes, and she promised to look into that.
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