Animal House

So sad to read that someone could be so cruel. I was hoping that this would be Vivi's answer to going home at last. My thoughts and prayers are with her owners, I do hope for some sort of closure for them. It's hard not knowing where she is. Vivi, you are so loved, and have been an answer to those out there that have been lost. Being an animal lover myself, I just don't understand people who hurt those who loves us unconditionally. God Bless!

How very convenient.

I never expectd much from the phone calls. Figured it was a prank.

You all are so trusting.

Prank phone calls come in all the time, to Rosa.
There are very cruel people out there.

A bunch of kids or something bored with nothing to fill their time except give the Vivi crew grief. I do believe in Karma.....

There is hope, lots of hope for Vivi being okay, either free roaming or caught. Of course, I see her as caught and equally good is the idea of her being free roaming, but in either event, the search needs to continue.

Some people have nothing but negativity to post no matter what the subject or updates are on the blog. You know, in looking at past sightings on a map and going back to those dates on the blog as far back as April and May, there is one person who has nothing but negativity to post. Instead of saying what a shame like others and offering other suggestions to help, the ugly head of conspiracy theory is raised again. Maybe you should be working on who killed the Kennedys including JFK Jr.

Get a life!!!!!

Offer something constructive and helpful to this lost dog and all others people are trying to help or shut up.

Well, I hope you find Vivi. I really do. I am so thankful we have a group of dedicated women willing to sacrifice to continue looking and doing their best in spite of the disappointment and hardship. You are an amazing crew and you have my deep felt respect.

Libby - I agree! We need constructive ideas here not a bunch of negative statements that don't get us anywhere.

Well said Libby, so we are all so trusting, that is the funniest thing I ever heard. We sure were trusting, we hired Harry, HA Need I say more, no negativity from me, we are still looking for this girl. Odd how the report for the phone number is getting criticized by some but we have yet to see Harry's report, who has been not so honest now !!!.

Yes, Debbie -- and saying that Vivi's body will never leave Queens, that's very constructive too, isn't it? But you said that.

Isn't that old news? Why drag that up again? We are trying to move forward but someone on here seems to be dragging us backwards!!

You have no idea, Pam -- no idea. But don't let me stop your little "feel good" party.

I should say...trying to drag us backwards!!

gee Beth why do things bother you so much, who cares what I or anyone else may have said over 3 months ago when we were a little pissed. What's your point? obviously she has not left queens now has she? Also did I tell that to you and if i said it who told you, why don't you tell us. Stop going back and trying to start fights, what's done is done and if you don't like what is being done then come in and search yourself and get off our backs.

I don't find it nessary to keep rehasing what people said out of frustration and anger. Unless we are there out in the field searching we can't possibly understand the turmoil these ladies and gentlemen have gone thru. People need to cut them some slack for things that were said under frustration.

Necessary...see what happens when your frustrated.

First, I want to wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving. Second, I'm here for the duration. I believe Vivi's out there and we will find her.

Happy Thanksgiving all. God bless!

I'll echo that sentiment! Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!! Good luck searchers! I'm also in it for the long-haul! Vivi still needs to be found!!

I do so hope we have good news soon of Vivi coming home. She is such a dear. Kathy at Bayside - oh it is such a nice ad.

Beth,really? Debbie said that? How do you know? Were you there at the time? You heard her say that with your own ears? If not, then I do believe you should cease and desist from your slanderous/libelous statements. You have repeatedly brought up alot of points not based on real fact and then fashion them into your own conspiracy theory.
Laura and Sams visit did not make you happy.
Karin Goins visit did not make you happy. The info on the phone # did not make you happy.When are you going to give it a rest? You're deluding yourself. And quite frankly,it looks as though the majority of the bloggers and all of the searchers, except for the few friends you have left, believe the possibility that Vivi is still out roaming the streets. Karin Goin is a licensed PI. Denise Flaim is a journalist. Both are legally bound to report the truth.Neither has any reason to lie.
So unless you get on a plane and fly to NY to investigate your ridiculous theory yourself,try doing something more constructive with your time to help this dog. If not, then just stop all of your negative comments. Its way beyond old and no one is interested in your delusions.

I believe Beth was saying back in April and May someone in the know had her. Maybe Beth has her.

Last comment, I am not going to feed her need for attention anymore, but I am just really tired of someone who has nothing but negative thoughts for the last 6 of 7 months, and is only seeking attention for her own gratification.

Hey gail thanks for the input, noone knows how it is out there day in and day out. It makes you go a little nuts and we have already been thru every season change and still don't have her, now that's frustrating. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone this is not the time for fighting, if someone does not like what is going on then help us instead of criticizing or leave. Thanks for the support from those who still care and want to help.

Well said Libby. Based on the numerous negative posts by this 'attention craver' on the blog, it seems to me that she may have some sort of mental illness. Maybe she could spend her blog-posting time more constructively. Like seeking professional help.

Pam, Debbie and Gail - I agree. Everyone says things they don't mean out of frustration. It's all just talk. However, the FACT is that Bonnie posted the results of the phone number investigation - we here have nothing to hide. And I think it's absurd for anyone to dispute what Bonnie posts on this blog or to insinuate foul play on the part of any of the searchers!!!!

And a very happy Thanksgiving to everyone!!!!

PP why did you call me a liar on the blog? I didn't think it was fair. I assume you were talking about the money I donated to Harry, and Lois B. confirmed that I did in fact keep my money in.

I know who you are pp and I my feelings are hurt.

Sheesh Beth,

Haven't you ever said something in the heat of the moment that you didn't mean?

LOL I can't count how many times I've said to Wayne: "I could kill you".....yet the man still is alive and well. Eleven years and we're still happily together, gee ya think maybe I didn't mean it?

What's really funny is now you're insinuating that Bonnie and Karin Goin are in on the big conspiracy that exists in your mind, who's next? Denise Flaim? Bo? Paul? Wayne? :0

And BTW counselor, where were YOU when that call was made? LOL By any chance do you have friends or family in Detroit or Grand Rapids, Mich.? Hmmmm?

PS: You didn't stop the "feel good" party, you provided comedy relief IMO. :)

And just so you don't confuse it again, this is posted by Diane KM, not Diane T. (G)

I apologize for what I've posted on the blog out of my frustration in the past, but I certainly do not lie about the money I donate and I certainly have a right to change my mind about issues just as these gals do, who also say stuff when taken out of context and is thrown back in their faces and is only meant to hurt. Not right!

Sedona,you need to give it a rest too. Your postings on this blog have gone from nonsensical to downright scary.With all of the stuff you have posted under 3 different names in the last 5 months or so,how do you expect anyone to take you seriously??

Oh really pp - and I know who you are and it is not befitting, I believe, of your finer nature.

Why don't you stick to your real name - and show yourself and be a "man" so to speak!

Hey Lois T - I might need DC yet!! My outdoor Moose that I plug in for Christmas is not working!!
His gold eyes are not gleaming anymore. We're having a heat wave right now so DC wouldn't have any problem with the cold or snow!! Ha Ha!!

Which posts scare you the most pp? That Vivi is caught? ummmm - now who could this be?

Hey Pam - I don't know - he's not an electrician. Oh what the hell - I'll send him over anyway. Just pray your house doesn't wind up like the house in National Lampoons Christmas Vacation!!!!!

Well pp are you telling me you don't need my donations or me making fliers etc, and that you don't need me to contribute to the funds to bring in trackers etc.... and that I should just pay up and shut up. Is that what you mean?

Well maybe you should just go find her yourself - but then that doesn't work does it.

People who live in glass houses...dot,dot,dot....

Lois - I like lights but not quite that many!!

And tell me pp that you don't need ideas on what is happening with the trackers, that your ideas are the only ones acceptable is that it? Okay then. You can send me a cashiers check for everything I've donated and spent on this search, and then you can have my vote. And I will shut up and be silent.

So pp, the next time there is a fund raiser, why don't you pull out the extra $200 for a tracker and $100 for the ad in my place. That works too.

I get it, all the people you don't like don't have a say and shouldn't help out. Fine with me!

Hey y'all

There was just something on the Whippet-L list today about no news in the Gibby search--the whippet lost at the shows in Arizona this last weekend. The bad thing about that place is there's nothing for miles including water. Though I'm sure a dog's nose can detect water from quite a distance.

But the other news in the post was that Mr. Harry Oaks has or will be joining the search for that poor little whippet boy. Let's see what happens in this one maybe or not, Harry will vindicate himself?? Let us see what he turns up there.

The only official opinion on this blog that is acceptable without being called a liar I guess is PP's.

So tell me what to think and say PP - or what? Try financing this entire search yourself if you are so smart.

Sedona,knock it off aleady.I never disputed anything you did for Vivi. I know you care.Stop reading things into my posts. You are starting to act like the 'attention craver'. Don't lower yourself to her level.

No more money or help from me. No more fliers and no more anything. Go ask PP. As if her identity is such a secret.

Right. Of course -

No more. Not now, not ever again.

Sedona, give the money issue a rest, no one here was talking about money. Sounds like your talking out of frustration.

Secondly, pp is her intials, if you know who it is you would know that and she/he is a foot solider who not only searches for Vivi but donates money also.

You all can think whatever it is you want to about me, I don't really care one way or the other. I know I have the backing of two people who have impeccable integrity, Meri-Lou and Lois Baker, and I trust them above and beyond anyone else. I also know there are others out there, such as Irene, who don't think I'm talking about "conspiracy theories." And, at least I've never stooped to having to make up a name to post to the blog, unlike some pp -- I mean people.

As for what Debbie said, to say that what she said is just words in anger is unbelieveable. I have said things in anger that I later regret. But I cannot imagine EVER saying something like Vivi's body will never leave Queens. I can't imagine ever saying something that cruel, heartless and inconsiderate. If you think those are just typical angry words, then God help you all. If you think putting into place a plan to keep Vivi's recovery secret from her owners is just "talk", then shame on all of you. This was supposed to be about getting Vivi back to her owners, not keeping her from them. If you can accept all of that without explanation from the people responsible, that's just heartbreaking.

Beth wrote: "They've had the phone number for a couple of weeks, now. I don't think they intend to share that information with us. I have my own theories as to why."

And now that's it's been shared and you've been proven wrong, you still make nasty insinuations Beth.....what's up with that?
Seems like no matter what we do, we're damned if we do and damned if we don't by you.
Is this how you get your kicks?

I was just over at the other thread and I see that earlier today you made a number of incorrect statements regarding Karin Goin's search, yet Karin hasn't even submitted her final report. Plus I wrote a post at 5:31 yesterday which quoted professional published tracker's findings, there was info in that post that made many things clear regarding scents and tracker's conclusions, etc., and yet you've ignored all that factual data and still persist with insinuations.

It seems no matter what information is put on here, instead of processing it with your brain, you run it through your intestine and it comes out poop!

Clearly it has become a waste of time to try and communicate with you in my opinion. In fact, as far as I'm concerned you could become the poster child for "A mind is a terrible thing to waste" LOL

I have food shopping to do, have a good day!

I should have listened to Michael, when he told me all of you New York searchers were a bunch of kooks. And he had the opportunity to see many of you in action. How right he was. I should have listened to him a long time ago.

someone shoot me

Karen - I want to join you. This is just absolutely pathetic!

I am really trying to control myself after reading everything posted on the blog but frankly I don't know for how long. Stay tuned!!!

Not to change the subject....whatever it was but has anyone determined if Vivi came into heat when expected and met the right streetmutt - with normal gestation would pups still be under her care? I'm thinking they would be 2-3months and yes she would be very tied to them- and probably laying very low- anyone agree or disagree?

Beth,

I'm appalled at what you said. I don't know what bug crawled up your butt but I sure hope it stays in your state. Your not a good representative of it. Talk about cruel. That has to be one of the worst things I've ever heard on this blog and there's been alot of bad things said.

A lawyer making statements based on HEARSAY. Pathetic with a capital P.

Beth, I do not understand what points you are trying to shove down our throats. If you are not pleased with how we are doing things here in New York, it would seem to me that you have two choices. 1. Come to NY and do it the way you think things should be done. or 2. Keep it to yourself.

If you think you have information regarding where Vivi is, again you have two choices. 1. Tell someone where she is so we can have closure or 2. Keep it to yourself.

If your information is in fact true then I think you are a very mean person to have me doing all these things I am doing on my own time. What kind of person enjoys watching another person suffer?

Sound like it just might be possible that you need help, please get it and leave us alone.

Excuse me Gail, PP was talking about money when she called me a liar on the Kitty post. And that's not nice. Now, this is the first time she showed her ugly head since then, and I have a right to complain and loudly too.

Has anyone heard how Betty Layne is recovering from her surgery? I sure do love her prayers-they are so peaceful and comforting. Hoping Michael will let us know.

Any news on Saffie, the little dog that was stolen from the pet expo from Novi MI? Seems there are some pretty awful people showing their ugly selves in Michigan right now, what with the theft of this poor sweet dog and the traced phone calls. I live outside of Detroit and know that most of us are pretty nice, though!!
Also, anyone have news on Tarik? Last I heard there has been some sightings but nothing for a while...

And as far as I'm concerned, if I am such a rascal to lie about my donation, then she can just pick up the slack. Good ridings to bad garbage or what are the initials, well no need to print them here, she knows them all too well.

Who is Michael?

Maybe Harry has ViVi and dropping her off at Terri's house when he goes to Arizona. She does live there you know. Hmmmmmm

Sedona, this isn't the Kitty post we have moved on.

Kathleen, Michael said he would be posting her prayers through recovery (posted her prayer very early this morning).

Hey Gail - there's no rules about timing in settling things - I'm sure if the tables were turned, you'd want to address the issue too, but maybe not. This isn't the post about tracking either, but that too seems to be brought up and a bunch of other things that only divide and hurt feelings and I suppose that only matters if it is one's feelings that are hurt, and no one else cares much - human nature.

Harry and Terri seem to know each other quiet well from the conversations he was having with her while in NY

Hiding behind initials won't help either. I do believe that telling a blogger that they open their mouth and out comes poop - is what Denise Flaim means by keeping nasty posts off the blog - but who knows, maybe some people can say what they want and it doesn't matter.

Not to change the subject....whatever it was but has anyone determined if Vivi came into heat when expected and met the right streetmutt - with normal gestation would pups still be under her care? I'm thinking they would be 2-3months and yes she would be very tied to them- and probably laying very low- anyone agree or disagree?

Oh, Harry and Terri? What about Vivi - it's thanksgiving and she is still beyond our reach. Now that concerns me, certainly not anything to do with H. & T.

She was supposed to be in heat in July or so but there is much discussion about whether or not she did, stress can delay things or even postpone them.

Sedona/Cynthia/Linda..which ever name you hide under, I don't have a beef with you, I've never had a beef with you and I'm not starting one now. I'm just saying it's time to move on. It's not healthy to keep bringing up the past, especially from other posts.

oh thanks sorry to interrupt

Tell that to the people that bring up Harry and Terri then, or the tracking issues or whatever else, money and accounting etc. Seems to me that other issues that bother people are brought up all the time,

Uh,,,, Gail whoever you are.

I don't hide under a name everyone here knows who I am and where I live. It is pp that is hiding but I guess she is your friend so now I am the one hiding uh?

Stupid beyond measure!

I'll talk about what I want to talk about and no one tells me what to discuss. No one. As far as I know, we still live in America.

As I said, you lovely people can just have your own private party and not worry about accepting differing opinions at all. This is so inane it is beyond words.

She's talking to herself again! As ruby would say "California woman, its time for your meds!"

I don't believe I told you what to discuss. That's up to you. I simply said it's time to move on. Geez... you fly off the handle fast, how come?

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Ladies, Please!!

No checks today to report...

Anyone want to see the ad can email me and I will send it as a PDF file...

Going back to Saffie the stolen staffie from the Novi Expo on 11/18: I am told that there are cameras all over the center, inside and out, and I would think that the tapes would have been reviewed after the little dog was reported stolen. Oh, I am so worried for this little girl doggie-wish we would get some good news.
Does anyone have anything happy to report???

Kathleen, I would love to see the ad! Can you email it to me?

Yes, I do have something happy.

There was a pretty 1 year-old silver Cocker Spaniel whose time had run out at the Memphis Shelter.

The rescue group I met through the doxies was working to get the word out.

Amanda and I were going to go down and rescue her today, but I checked first and she has been adopted. Another baby saved. Sure thought I was going to be owning a Cocker Spaniel soon.

That is great news Kathleen!! I love to hear about these adoptions! So happy for the little girl spaniel and some lucky family now has a new addition to their family.
One day Tinkerbell will have a playmate and you will have another sweetie to love!

Thanks Mila. She was so beautiful. I'll send you the link if it is still there to see. I could just imagine her with a wonderful cleanup, brushing and some love.

I am so convinced that if somehow a lot of these shelter animals could get the love and grooming, more would be adopted. I wish groomers would volunteer time to shelters to groom these poor babies. I think a little grooming would go a long way to helping them.

Marty, Marty, Marty..... in all your wisdom, I confess.....you've solved the mystery! You have put 2 and 3 together and.....
you're just too darned good at this for me! When you got it, you got it.....or is it more like you're full OF it? hmmmm