Animal House

i posted 2 comments under search and a glimmer...please read the last one everyone and lets respond...i can be reached at brosenberg@gchotel.com

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I'M THRILLED TO HEAR ABOUT THE OWNERS CONSIDERING A PET DETECTIVE , IT MAKES ME SO HAPPY BECAUSE I HAVE A GOOD FEELING ABOUT IT . I KNOW THEIR ARE SOME QUESTIONS LIKE WILL THE PORT AUTHORITY LET A PET DETETIVE IN, TRUTH IS I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER. MAYBE THEY WILL GIVE HER ACCESS IF THE DOGS SCENT HER IN A CERTAIN AREA. IT WOULD REALLY BE IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO LET HER GO WHEREVER THE DOGS TAKE HER... SINCE IT WILL BRING A CONCLUSION AND EVERYONE CAN BE DONE WITH IT. IF THEY HAVE EVEN HEARD OF KARIN AND ALL THE SUCCESS SHE HAS EVERYDAY ,THEY HAVE TO THINK TO THEMSELVES OK LET HER DO IT SO THIS CAN BE DONE.I REALLY HOPE THE OWNERS DO THIS BEFORE SHE GOES IN HEAT AND IS FOUND WITH 5 PUPPIES IN A MONTH OR SO . IF YOU DO THE MATH: THE AMOUNT THAT THEY ARE OFFERING AS A REWARD WOULD PROBABLY BE CLOSE TO WHAT IT COST KARIN TO COME AND FIND HER. IT WOULD EVEN OUT AND EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY.SHE IS YOUR BEST BET AT THIS TIME . PLEASE TAKE IT FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS USED A PET DETECTIVE BEFORE, THEY DO THINGS MUCH DIFFERENT FROM THE SEARCHES THAT ARE GOING ON NOW. IN THE END I HAD MY DOG BACK AND NO MATTER WHAT THE PRICE ,IT WAS WORTH IT . WE ARE ALL HAPPY. PLEASE CONTINUE ENCOURAGING THEM TO GET THIS PET DETECTIVE IN THERE SOON. ALSO , PLEASE DON'T FORGET ABOUT ALL THE OTHER DOGS ... THEIR ARE TO MANY OF THEM AND IT'S JUST NICE TO KNOW THAT ORGANIZATIONS ARE OUT THERE AND DO CARE ABOUT ALL DOGS , NOT ONLY SHOW DOGS BUT DOGS WHO DON'T HAVE WHAT VIVI DOES. PLEASE ,PLEASE ,PLEASE HIRE THIS WOMAN AND GET HER IN THERE SO SHE CAN FIND YOUR DOG , THE MOST POPULAR DOG IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW ...VIVI. NOTHING WOULD MAKE US HAPPIER, ALSO , MANY OTHER PEOPLE ARE SUGGESTING THIS TOO !!!! MAYBE WE ALL KNOW SHE'LL BE FOUND IF YOU DO IT THIS WAY. GOOD LUCK AND I WANT TO HEAR GOOD NEWS SOON ... I'M PRAYING! INCASE YOU NEED THAT AGAIN IT'S WWW.MISSINGPETSPI.COM. PLEASE CALL HER.

SORRY TO ANYONE WHO WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT WEBSITE ABOUT THE PET DETECTIVE IT'S mwww.missingpetpi.com NOT PETS, PET.

I love the idea of the pet detective. We should all email or write to Gov. Pataki of NY, Mayor Bloomberg of NYC, and Gov. Corzine of New Jersey to get them to urge the Port Authority to let the detective into any and all restricted areas so Vivi can be found. It's time these politicians got on board and helped with this effort. I'm going to email them tonight.

Could someone please post the gov's e-mail addresses. I'd like to e-mail them too too - even though I'm from Wisconsin... Thanks, Terrie

I think Brians idea about contacting Delta and publicizing it is a good idea. The last thing that flailing airline needs is bad publicity. I'm sure it would push them to act responsibly.Anyone wanting to contact the governors offices can do so at www.state.ny.us/govenor
ww.state.nj.us/governor
just use the contact us link within the sites.
can someone post the link to ViVi's missing poster? I want to try and post more of them as I notice many are no longer at various airport sites.Either someone is pulling them down or the PA maintenance contractors are. Thanks

Hello everyone. I have scanned a copy of Vivi's Lost Dog poster to myspace blog page. You can save it and then print out copies directly from this link to my page: http://blog.myspace.com/8957422
I hope this helps. I plan to print out a bunch at work tomorrow and then post them up in my neighborhood tomorrow. I have a few stories about Vivi on myspace blog page as well if anyone is interested in reading them.

-Renee

Thanks for the addresses - I'll e-mail the gov's and Delta. Terrie

Denise, thank for providing the descriptive updates. I am praying to St. Anthony and St. Francis to watch over Vivi and all the other animals in that area. It is just so eerie to see the photos of the large expanse of unattended land and buildings. God bless all the people who have been searching. Is this the best link to find any future news of VIVI? Good night!!
Regis Dalton-Adams

hi everyone....my past posts were pretty tough on delta...but lets wait to hear from the family before any more negative messages are sent..we dont know what delta has promised them..it is clear that jill bo and the rest of camp vivi are more understanding then we are..i know i would have marched in to delta with 30 reporters demanding a full search of the airport with dogs,infer red machines and every possible resourse they have...but thats just me...in the mean time thanks for your emails and suggestions...i just dont want to do anything until we get the approval of the owners....in the world of public relations i have learned the hard way to know the deal before opening your mouth...one things for sure...we need to keep the story alive...not just for vivi but for the entire dog world who will be traveling in the future...in the end vivi might have saved hundreds of other dogs.....brian

I would be willing to contribute for the pet detective for Vivi, but also that poor doog Sniffles in NewYork City whose young owner can't sleep nights and she has meager resources. Her dog was evereything.

Delta supposedly is mentioning that "their" crate wasn't used ? Vivi was in a top name brand crate, they are approved by the airlines . Doesn't that count for anything ? And in the picture you can see the extra safety bar across the door. Why did Delta take so long to return the crate ?

I'd just like to say that after reading bos post on www.awc2006.com it's encouraging that they may hire a pet detective but, time is of the essence and Vivi (if she is there ) won't wait forever to be found , and it won't take long for a dog to go into heat... which will make her roam to anywhere. Not sure what to say about the cost issue that he brought up but after reading all these posts MOST people are willing to chip in and help out myself included. All I can say is if you really want to find your dog please call Karin. She may be able to work something out with the PA ... maybe if her dogs smell Vivi in one area that was restricted before and she has a feeling Vivi is there they will let her in find the dog and everyone is happy. I feel you will be very happy with her results, atleast call her and talk to her see what she can do ! I feel that if the PA gives her 1 or 2 days she'll be able to locate Vivi. Somewhere along the line we all know PA just wants this to be done with . So if she comes to NYC and talks to PA and they know she is a Licensed Investigator they may very easily work with her on this. It may end up being just a matter of a few hours or even minutes never know. Her dogs work very well and may be able to detect something right away . I'm very optimistic on this and have a good feeling she'll be found. But really how well did the psychics work ? they had different "visions" even a Host of Dayside on Fox was laughing about it when the psychic was on the phone talking to her about it . And do the Dogs that were there last week do their best with ALL those people around? Just give it to Karin and her dogs let her see what she can find. It WILL be a GOOD outcome. www.missingpetpi.com ...Come on Bo ,Jil and Paul Please try it.

I THINK IT MIGHT BE TIME FOR THE FUND RAISER AT MY HOTEL.....I AM WAITING FOR BONNIE TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE FAMILY AND THEN I WILL COUNT ON ALL OF YOU TO SHOW UP AND BUY SOME DRINKS BUY SOME FOOD AND BUY A HAVE YOU SEEN OUR VIVI T SHIRT.....ALL THE MONEY WILL GO TO THE EXPENSES FOR FINDING VIVI..ANY REMAINING MONEY WILL BE DONATED TO EITHER THE JFK SHELTER OR A FUND THAT BONNIE AND CAMP VIVI FEEL WILL HELP OTHER LOST DOGS...THIS DOESNT SEEM TO BE A "TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE THING ANYMORE"...ITS GOING TO BE A LONG HAUL AND WE NEED TO LOAD UP THE RESERVES FOR THIS ...IF ANYTHING THE PARTY WILL BRING THE MEDIA BACK FOR ANOTHER GO ROUND OF AWARENESS....ONE LAST THING....DONT RAISE THE REWARD..5K IS PLENTY OF MONEY FOR MOTIVATION...THE MONEY IS BETTER SERVED FOR RESOURCES.....BRIAN

I think this sounds like a good idea. If the family is agreement, there are proabably many like myself who live out of the area but would like to contribute $$. Please post information as appropriate regarding how we may be able to assist with monetary contributions. Thank you and thank you for your efforts - we all went Vivi found and we all want to raise awareness of the confounding problems pets face.

Ok everyone they now have a fund set up :

Donations for Vivis search should be sent to

Paul Lepiane
For : Vivi Fund
Po Box 479
Ojai , California 93024
Any funds not used for Vivis search will go to a deserving rescue org.
Source www.awc2006.com. I guess this means they are planning on hiring Karin.

Hi everyone, My check is in the mail. I hope to hear very very soon that Karin is on the job. I can't seem to concentrate on anything else but poor Vivi. Something just has to break soon. All I can do is keep Prayin to St Francis. Rosa

The address for the post office box is now available. Let's show Vivi's owners and breeder that we're not armchair quarterbacks. Flood that post office box immediately. We've all aired our feelings and opinions here online and now it's time for us to participate. Many of us don't live in the NYC area so this is our opportunity to help Vivi. If Jil, Paul and Bo see how sincerely and passionately we all feel about a successful outing by Karin, they'll contact her. They have nothing to lose...we'll be paying for Karin.
This sitting and waiting game isn't the solution.
My check's in the mail.
Barbara

Glad to hear they are finally hiring Karin!!

My check will be going out in tomorrow's mail.

My check is in the mail.

I will never fly DELTA again. I read in the newspaper today that they have lost another dog. The flight with the dog did not make a connection. They left the dog unattended in the Delta cargo. Owners were frantic awaiting the puppy. Delta delivered the puppy two days later...
GG

Guadalupe, I think you might be referring to this case?? But, Delta never did deliver the puppy. Here's the cross-post:

Permission to cross post granted by author.

From: Marcia Deugan
ziyadahreg@YAHOO.COM
Subject: Major Airline screw up

Last Friday had to be one of the very most frustrating days of my entire life. Never have I encountered ,all at once, such a group of un-co-operative uncaring people all working at the same company. The company
is Delta Airlines.

Looking back, I should have realized that something
was different. I have shipped puppies with Delta for over 30 years. This time, when I called the Pets First desk to make the reservation, at about 6 am one morning I got a recording telling me that it wasclosed and that I should call back during office
hours. The recording did not say what those office
hours were.

When I finally did get through to them later in the
day after being on hold "waiting for the next
available representative" for 25 minutes I made a
reservation for last Friday, Feb. 3, 2006 for a puppy to go "Pets First" from Ft. Myers FL to Bloomington,Illinois, with a change of planes in Atlanta. I specifically asked them to check that the planes were big enough for a 200 crate, and was assured that both were full size Delta jets.

I went up to the airport cargo on Thurs. Feb. 2 to do the paper work , surrender the health certificates, etc. since the flight was at 6:55 on Friday morning and this would simplify . On Friday morning, I took puppy , crate, newspaper, towel, stuffed toy, baby blanket, an unopened bottle of water , dry food in a zip lock bag, and plastic dishes attached to the door of the shipping crate. Every inch of the crate and all items were examined, approved , and placed in or
taped to the crate. This was at 5:30 in the morning.

My name and number, owner to be's name and number ,
were on at least 3 pieces of paperwork attached to the crate. My name, address, and telephone number are on the crate side in black laundry marker.

Puppy was to arrive in Bloomington at 11:30. At that time the new owner called me. The puppy was not on the plane. She was frantic. No one had called either of us. The airline did not know where he was. An hour later he was located in Atlanta. They informed us that he was not on the plane because they had used a different plane that did not allow dogs. So theyjust let him sit there. THEY NEVER CALLED TO LET US KNOW!.

No other flight with appropriate plane was scheduled
that day. It was then arranged that he would fly (at 2:40 pm) to Peoria, Illinois and arrive there at 3:20 (change of time zones) . OK - things happen. Not happy, but puppy would get there and new owner would drive to get him in Peoria. Then 3:20 arrived, so did the plane, and THE PUPPY WAS NOT ON THE PLANE. THEY NEVER CALLED EITHER ONE OF US TO SAY THAT HE WOULD NOT BE ON THE PLANE. I had called the Pet First Desk and been on hold for 60 minutes one time before giving up and 50 minutes another to make sure he was on the plane and never contacted a real person. The tracking site on the Delta web site would not show anything. A real person told us later that they DO NOT TRACK DOG
SHIPMENTS, ONLY PLANES.

It took two hours for them to find him, still at the
Atlanta airport. I was FRANTIC - I am 10 hours away
from Atlanta. The new owner (at the airport in
Peoria) was frantic. Once they located him ( I am
going," has he been out to potty, has he got water,
was he offered food?" - oh yes, he is fine, right here in front of me wagging tail).

Arrangements made to put him on a plane at 8:40 pm.
Got through to the pet desk at 9:00 - NO - THE PUPPY
WAS NOT ON THAT FLIGHT - HE WAS STILL IN ATLANTA.
Told to call a "logistics" number I found that he had not been put on that flight because it was carrying dry ice. BUT THEY NEVER CALLED EITHER OF US TO TELL US-------------WHY WHY WHY------------silence. Now, they told me, he would have to go to a kennel as they couldn't keep him at the airport for over four hours.

I am to the screaming stage - he has already BEEN at
the D------ airport for over 12 hours. Is the puppy OK , is he dehydrated? Has he been allowed out of the crate, does he have water? Puppy, they said , is fine. Will go to a kennel. I will be billed. They have no idea when puppy will fly to Illinois. ALSO TELL ME NOW THAT HE WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN SHIPPED OUT WITHOUT A FAX FROM ME CHANGING HIS DESTINATION. NEVER EVER MENTIONED THIS BEFORE ALL DAY LONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I tell them to hold - using cell phone I call Kitty
Cahoon who is at dog shows in Atlanta. Kitty
immediately agrees to go and get the puppy - I convey this to the idiot that I am talking to who then transfers me to another idiot who says that they won't release the puppy to anyone without a FAX. I stop trying to reason with them and scream that it is now 11:30 at night and I don't have a bloody FAX machine. No budging them. A rule. A contract that I signed that morning giving them jurisdiction over the puppy. I tell them that the contract has already been broken by THEM - that it was to deliver the puppy to Bloomington 12 hours earlier. I finally told them I would find a FAX machine if I had to drive 100 miles to do that - to not send the dog to a kennel. I am terrified that I will never see this puppy alive again. Finally my daughter gets hold of someone in the newpaper office that she knows and a FAX is sent.

Kitty picks up the puppy. He is, thank God, alive.
He is also dehydrated, un- watered, un- fed and in a kennel with urine and stool, dirty paper, bedding, and toys. To her it seems he has never been taken out or fed or watered. In that shipping crate for 18 hours. They go back to the show grounds to her RV and I sink to the floor crying and threatening to sue Delta for the inhumane and callous way they have managed to lose this pup and cause trauma to us all.

This is Sunday. Puppy was not in good enough shape to try to fly him yesterday. Fluids have helped and he is now back to acting good. Delta wants to "start over" to get him to Peoria. They also want me to pay another $200 to do so. Guess what - I have called my credit card company and that charge already there will be disputed until the day I die. I WILL NEVER USE DELTA TO SHIP A PUPPY AGAIN. I will tell everyone I know of the horrible way we were treated. I will contact every Delta official that I can get a name/address for. Any other suggestions? I WILL FOLLOW THROUGH.

All through this whole thing not one employee of Delta ever apologised for the problems. Not once did anyone, except for one ticket agent in Bloomington, even express sympathy. I told the last person I talked to at the Atlanta airport that if that puppy died that "heads would roll". Well, the puppy has survived. Kitty has him safe with her. We don't know at this time if he will continue his trip or what. Right now we are just glad that he is alive. But heads are still going to roll.

Please feel free to post to any and all lists and
concerned people so they can't do this to anyone else.

Marcia Deugan
ZIYADAH Sussex Spaniels

Marcia, that story just made me sick to my stomach! Can someone near JFK please print out all of these horrible dog shipping stories and hand them out to PR firms, travel agents and Delta ticket counters to show pet owners are banning DELTA?? I read somewhere yesterday that they lost another dog, a baby bull from JFK!!!! The news media needs this info too. I've hammered emails to NY talk shows all over, this info needs attention.

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